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SugarHillCTD

Everything was working great down to HM and back.

Had a few short rides since then- no problems.

Went for a ride today- over to White Horse Gear. Noticed that the signal cancelling wasn't working. Then looked around the Zumo and saw that the speedometer wasn't working either.

Then tried the new cruise control....no good, didn't engage.

I am really getting P.O.'d at this. I am to do my first (official) Iron Butt next weekend. No odometer, no speedometer, no signal cancel and NO CC. CRAP!!

Not having any good luck this year- bike-wise or physical codition-wise.

BTW, where is the speed sensor on Max's fiche?????
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:57 pm Post subject:

1st off you can check your speed pick-up sensor with a soldering iron......

Plug the iron in, hold it near the sensor assy, and with the ign on you should see about 40+/- mph. (you may have to convert it to kmh for your bike....)

Have you check all your fuses? Can you check other stuff electrical and see what else isn't working?

Where did you connect your CC for power and speed signal, and the safety drop out.

I'm thinking on the rest, will get back to you.....
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Ride safe.

1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
1997 K1100LT 0302488(R.I.P.)
1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:02 pm Post subject:

Thanks Scott.

Your post reminded me of Jim's (Saltcreek)

This will be a make-it or break-it PITA......

John
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:19 pm Post subject:

You aint going to believe where the speedo pickup is at in the fiche....

14) 61 31 2 305 839

on the HORN parts page......

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Ride safe.

1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
1997 K1100LT 0302488(R.I.P.)
1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:31 pm Post subject:

Of course- that would be the LAST place I would look.

Thanks Scott
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject:

Coming out of the flasher unit on term #6 is the signal cancel wire Brown/White, the handlebar switch simply grounds this wire to stop the signals from flashing.

There is power into the inst pod on term #6(Green) from fuse #1.
There is also power for the clock in on term #1(Red/White) from fuse #3.
Those look to be the only direct +12 into the inst pod. All other is for lamps and sensors.
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Ride safe.

1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
1997 K1100LT 0302488(R.I.P.)
1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

Inge K. · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject:

Quite logical....if you drive to fast....the horn blows.

Also check the Connector under the RHS battery cover, a known problem Source.

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject:

Great. The new sensor is over $100US

Are you frikkin' kidding me????????????????????
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject:

Inge K. · Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:59 pm Post subject:

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:51 am Post subject:

I cleaned the connector under the right sidecover (as best as possible)

No change and I wiggled & twisted the wires going into both ends of the connector.

Then I thought about going back to stock condition.

FOUND IT.

I went back and removed the "T Tap" and the speedometer is working again. I had made the CC connection to the yellow wire between the connector and the bike's speed sensor.

Now I have to go back and hardwire the cruise sensor wire with solder and heat shrink.

Think I am going to lengthen the bike's speed sensor wire to make it easier to hook up the CC sensor wire.

Odd that it was OK down to HM and back.
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

rbm · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:48 am Post subject:

Check the CC installation instructions or the manufacturer of the CC for the requirements for a speed signal. The K's speedo sensor is a passive variable reluctance device. It barely puts out a 0.6V P-P sine wave and current is measured in microamps. By tapping into that line, you probably dragged the line down to ground since it can't source enough current to feed the speedometer amplifier AND the CC. The CC probably wants TTL levels --- +5V -- or greater. Often, this is generated using an active Hall Effect sensor sensing rotation of one of the wheels of the vehicle. One possibility for using the VR sensor is to build the amplifier that I used myself to condition the VR sensor's output into TTL for my aftermarket speedo. http://k75retro.blogspot.ca/2013/09/adapting-motogadgets-speedometer.html
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1987 K75 @k75retro.blogspot.ca
2011 Moto Guzzi V7 Racer

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:58 am Post subject:

Robert,

Thanks for the reply.

The confusing thing is that it worked just fine for the 1800 mile round trip to Virginia.

I will try rewiring it without the T-Tap first, but might have to resort to your conditioner.

John
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject:

rbm · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject:

No one has made mention that there are two CC installs floating around for the K-bike -- the vacuum operated CCS-100 and the fully electronic Rostra. I'm not sure which one is being used here, but because of the speedo sensor wire, I will take a guess that it is the Rostra.

The CCS-100 doesn't have a wire that needs to be connected to the speed sensor to determine road speed. Both the CCS-100 and the Rostra require connection to the coil lead to determine engine speed.

It would be prudent to find out from the manufacturer what kind of signal is expected to be delivered to the speed sensor wire on the CC control module.
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- Robert
1987 K75 @k75retro.blogspot.ca
2011 Moto Guzzi V7 Racer

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject:

Yea, Robert, with the vacc installs they are capable of either the tach signal or the speed sensor input, and I chose to use the tach signal only.
The unit also uses the tach input to determine if the clutch has been pulled(sudden increase of RPM''s) to trigger the safety disengagement when the unit is configured for a manual transmission install.

I've not seen the instructions for the newer electronic units to really know how different they are, if at all.
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Ride safe.

1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
1997 K1100LT 0302488(R.I.P.)
1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject:

Fixed. (by the way, mine is the fully electronic CC- no vacuum lines)

Initially once I disconnected the CC from the bike's speed sensor, my speedometer was working again.

I could switch the speedometer on and off by touching the CC wire to the bike's speed sensor yellow wire.

Then I had an idea. I connected the CC ground wire to the best ground available. It had been attached to a frame ground but now is connected to a bolt on the side of the engine.

Everything now works as intended.

Also, I apologize for being grumpy- things have been crap here for the past 10 days and the CC screwing up was the topper.
10 Days ago I unsuccessfully tried to semi-amputate my right hand.

As both my hands are a bit necessary in my line of work, might have some permanent nerve damage and ? tendon damage. Time will tell.......
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

rbm · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:37 pm Post subject:

Good things have righted themselves. Get well soon, John.
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- Robert
1987 K75 @k75retro.blogspot.ca
2011 Moto Guzzi V7 Racer

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:55 am Post subject:

Glad you got it figured out. Sometimes those simple little details bite the worst.

Take care of yourself there John. Don't push that IB ride if your not physically ready.
_________________
Ride safe.

1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
1997 K1100LT 0302488(R.I.P.)
1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

Saltcreek · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:46 pm Post subject: