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Kenji
Joined: 06 Nov 2009 Posts: 18 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject: Oil Filter Question |
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I'm just curious:
Given that the K1100 engine has a spin-on oil filter, does anybody know why the filter is located behind a sealed cover in a chamber where oil flows freely?
The great advantage of spin-on oil filters is that they can be mounted externally on the engine without the need for any kind of cover, usually making filter replacement extremely easy. This thought goes through my mind every time I change my bike's oil and I have to go through the mess of dealing with the oil filter's bolt-on cover.
Like I said, I'm just curious... _________________ Kenji
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Phil Marvin Rider in the Sky
Joined: 03 Apr 2003 Posts: 1389 Location: El Paso, Texas, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ven vee vant you to know, vee vill tell you. Vee ar Cherman und vee know vat ist best, Ja! _________________ Ride Safe,
Phil Marvin in El Paso, TX
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nickw Big Brick Rider
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 72 Location: Essex, VT USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:11 pm Post subject: Hiding oil filters for fun and profit |
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The BMW filter being behind a removable plate gives the Germans extremely high marks vis-a-vis the Italians who (on the Guzzi 850) put a screw on oil filter inside a cast crankcase sump WITH A DRAINPLUG on the opposite edge of the sump case. Unless you knew it was there, you would never remove the crank sump to drain the oil and thusly "discover" the filter's existence.
I found this out by buying a basket case Guzzi with a bad engine. Said engine was suffering from a burnt bearing due to an old filter plugging, blowing its gasket neatly inside the sump and then spewing the pressurized oil out and back to the sump instead of the crank bearings.
IOW: count your blessings! at least the Beemer people gave us a clue with the drain plug and hatch cover! _________________ "It's not what people know, it's that they know so much that just ain't so!" (Apologies to Will Rogers)
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Stoked Steve Flying Brick Rider

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 1402 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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That's a good question, I just went through that messy procedure this weekend. Maybe it's done in the name of engine compactness. Could you imagine an oil filter hanging out of the block? It would mess up the shape of the belly pan for sure!
I'm currently watching a documentary on BMW and they went from the history of avation production right to the automotive production without even a mention of the fact they made motorcycles before they made cars!
I guess that what's I get for watching CSNBC! _________________ Steve
Virginia Beach, VA
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SugarHillCTD Site Admin

Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 4238 Location: Now in Eastern Pennsylvania
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: |
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There are more than a couple engineering items on a K bike that I look at and think......WHY??
Let's not even talk about an engine design where the cylinders point downward while on the sidestand  _________________ John & Cathy
'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
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whyoldbill Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 440 Location: in the boonies, northwest of Columbus, Ohio
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| SugarHillCTD wrote: |
Let's not even talk about an engine design where the cylinders point downward while on the sidestand  |
I thought everyone knew that was to keep the piston rings lubricated at engine start-up
As far as the oil filter question, equally tongue-in-cheek answers:
1. Aerodynamics - Think of the drag eliminated by burying that oil filter
2. Protection from road dirt or dents from debris - I dunno.
What about that cheesy plastic rear rack? I hate that thing _________________ '02 - GL1800
The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funksmanship - George Clinton |
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malcolmt Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 369 Location: Parys, S.Africa
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen an 80's K100 at our local classic bike club with the stand stand moved to the right habd side.
The bike is in a tatty state, the engine was full of rattles.
Maybe missing out on pre-start lube for many years is the culprit.
The filter in the crankcase isnt a hassle for me, I'm so happy I can buy a standard car filter rather than an epensive custom size specific to the model.
Malcolm(t)
Joburg, Souf Efrika _________________ ******************************
A Bike on the road is worth two
in the shed
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Al. Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 396 Location: West of Ireland
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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It would also be nice to have an access plate on the drive shaft casing and a grease nipple on the spline so that you could grease it without taking half the bike apart.
Don't know if you have many Seat cars there. I got a 1.4 3 cyl diesel recently. The oils filter is in a 'cup' with lid in front of the engine.
So just screw off the lid lift out the filter drop in new one screw back lid. Job done.
No oil running down block etc. It's essentially a German car as VW own Seat. |
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Inge K. Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 30 Apr 2011 Posts: 458 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Al. wrote: | The oils filter is in a 'cup' with lid in front of the engine.
So just screw off the lid lift out the filter drop in new one screw back lid. Job done.
No oil running down block etc. It's essentially a German car as VW own Seat. |
BMW had this on the E34 models that came on the market in -88 (but not all engines).
Could be that it also been on other models earlier, have only owned a E34/M60.
Inge K. |
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