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Kenji



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:07 pm    Post subject: Oil Filter Question Reply with quote

I'm just curious:

Given that the K1100 engine has a spin-on oil filter, does anybody know why the filter is located behind a sealed cover in a chamber where oil flows freely?

The great advantage of spin-on oil filters is that they can be mounted externally on the engine without the need for any kind of cover, usually making filter replacement extremely easy. This thought goes through my mind every time I change my bike's oil and I have to go through the mess of dealing with the oil filter's bolt-on cover.

Like I said, I'm just curious...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ven vee vant you to know, vee vill tell you. Vee ar Cherman und vee know vat ist best, Ja!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:11 pm    Post subject: Hiding oil filters for fun and profit Reply with quote

The BMW filter being behind a removable plate gives the Germans extremely high marks vis-a-vis the Italians who (on the Guzzi 850) put a screw on oil filter inside a cast crankcase sump WITH A DRAINPLUG on the opposite edge of the sump case. Unless you knew it was there, you would never remove the crank sump to drain the oil and thusly "discover" the filter's existence.
I found this out by buying a basket case Guzzi with a bad engine. Said engine was suffering from a burnt bearing due to an old filter plugging, blowing its gasket neatly inside the sump and then spewing the pressurized oil out and back to the sump instead of the crank bearings.

IOW: count your blessings! at least the Beemer people gave us a clue with the drain plug and hatch cover!
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Stoked Steve
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good question, I just went through that messy procedure this weekend. Maybe it's done in the name of engine compactness. Could you imagine an oil filter hanging out of the block? It would mess up the shape of the belly pan for sure!

I'm currently watching a documentary on BMW and they went from the history of avation production right to the automotive production without even a mention of the fact they made motorcycles before they made cars!

I guess that what's I get for watching CSNBC!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are more than a couple engineering items on a K bike that I look at and think......WHY??

Let's not even talk about an engine design where the cylinders point downward while on the sidestand Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SugarHillCTD wrote:

Let's not even talk about an engine design where the cylinders point downward while on the sidestand Rolling Eyes


I thought everyone knew that was to keep the piston rings lubricated at engine start-up Wink

As far as the oil filter question, equally tongue-in-cheek answers:
1. Aerodynamics - Think of the drag eliminated by burying that oil filter
2. Protection from road dirt or dents from debris - I dunno.

What about that cheesy plastic rear rack? I hate that thing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen an 80's K100 at our local classic bike club with the stand stand moved to the right habd side.

The bike is in a tatty state, the engine was full of rattles.

Maybe missing out on pre-start lube for many years is the culprit.

The filter in the crankcase isnt a hassle for me, I'm so happy I can buy a standard car filter rather than an epensive custom size specific to the model.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would also be nice to have an access plate on the drive shaft casing and a grease nipple on the spline so that you could grease it without taking half the bike apart.

Don't know if you have many Seat cars there. I got a 1.4 3 cyl diesel recently. The oils filter is in a 'cup' with lid in front of the engine.
So just screw off the lid lift out the filter drop in new one screw back lid. Job done.
No oil running down block etc. It's essentially a German car as VW own Seat.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al. wrote:
The oils filter is in a 'cup' with lid in front of the engine.
So just screw off the lid lift out the filter drop in new one screw back lid. Job done.
No oil running down block etc. It's essentially a German car as VW own Seat.

BMW had this on the E34 models that came on the market in -88 (but not all engines).
Could be that it also been on other models earlier, have only owned a E34/M60.

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