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N41EF
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:06 pm    Post subject: Tire replacement Recomendations Reply with quote

So, looking at replacing tires, my rear is over 10 years old but has good tread, now that I've gotten the bike up to maintenance with all of the fluids changed and such I want to do tires before a long weekend shake down. I've done several hour or so trips, but want new rubber before I go too far from home.

Option one would be to replace just the rear with a Metzler as is on it now, and wear down my front. Maybe replace them as a pair later, or keep buying single Metzlers as required.

Option 2 Replace both with Bridgestone BT45's

Option 3 is replace both with Pirelli Sport Demons.

Those were the three option my local Jap dealer offered, based on what they can get easily. They are unsure if they can balance the rear until I take it off and bring it in.

I believe all of these are bias ply tires, but I've seen threads about running radials.

I'm not looking for changing wheels at the moment so stock or close to stock size is preferred.

What would you guys do?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My recommendation would be to go ahead and upgrade to the Radials.

You can get them in the LT rim sizes, but having them be both the same brand/style, will be a limited selection.

I run a Michelin PR2 on the front and an Avon AV46 on the rear with very good results.

YMMV.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No brainer:

BT-023 front 110 80 18 35-56 psi

AV46 rear 140 80 17 40-42 psi

What I run on a few of my Ks
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:
No brainer:

BT-023 front 110 80 18 35-56 psi

AV46 rear 140 80 17 40-42 psi

What I run on a few of my Ks


You do mean 35-36 PSI dont you Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the PR2, 120 on the front, 170 on the back, on K1200LT rims.
You can have them on RS rims.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This past weekend, I changed my tires from Avon Roadriders to Bridgestone T30s. T30 is the replacement for the BT023.

- 110/80-18 front
- 150/70-17 rear

These are radials and, compared to the Avon bias plys, better tires all 'round. I was not happy with the quality of the Avons. I experienced cracks and a split/cut in the tread at the front. Bear in mind, I have not even yet scrubbed in the tires so I can't comment about road feel and longevity of the T30.

As for pressures, the manufacturer recommends 36 front, 42 rear. I've read that keeping both tires at 36 is better.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditto on the 110/80-18 front - 150/70-17 rear combo.

I mount myself and the rear can be a bit tricky but a few grunts and bit of sweat and it's on. Have been using BT-023's, but weighing a PR-3 as some claim it is longer lasting.

Rear has just over 8,000 miles on it and it's about done. I was only able to pull about 6,000 out of an Avon it developed cracks that I didn't notice until taking the tire off.

If I look at cost per mile, the PR3 would need to last 9,500 miles to be the same cost/mile as the BT-23.

Is anyone running the PR3 and if so, how many miles are they getting out of them?


Perhaps shedding that 25lbs I really need to lose would help too.
Sad

UPDATE: Well, the cheap PR3 price went away, and I was up to needing about 10,500 miles to match cost/mile of the Bridgestone T-30. Not seeing that as a practical expectation... ordered the T-30.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott_Anderson wrote:
My recommendation would be to go ahead and upgrade to the Radials.

You can get them in the LT rim sizes, but having them be both the same brand/style, will be a limited selection.

I run a Michelin PR2 on the front and an Avon AV46 on the rear with very good results.

YMMV.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I read a dozen pages of stuff from Michelin and some reviews online. Seems PR4's are the current hot tire, but not readily available everywhere now. 30 years ago you walked into your local dealer and bought what tires they had, now it was pretty easy to spend a day online reading tire reviews.

What I found for current prices for pairs on eBay and Amazon:
Avon AV55-AV56 $341.15
PR2 $323.89
PR3 $331.15

I settled on PR3's and called my local Jap bike dealer: $379.00

Several Google searches later ordered from Dennis Kirk, total was $287.24 free shipping but SC $10 tire disposal fee.

I should have them next week will let you know what I think about the PR3.

I did find a thread about mounting wider tires, someone here mentioned unwrapping the tires and letting them set a day to relax. Someone else said put a ratchet strap around the circumference of the tire to make the sidewalls puff out and make it easier to get them to seat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atlantaboblutz@live.com wrote:
ditto on the 110/80-18 front - 150/70-17 rear combo.

Rear has just over 8,000 miles on it and it's about done. I was only able to pull about 6,000 out of an Avon it developed cracks that I didn't notice until taking the tire off.

If I look at cost per mile, the PR3 would need to last 9,500 miles to be the same cost/mile as the BT-23.


Mounted the PR3's this weekend. front was easy, rear was a pain. I tried letting it sit in the sun, a ratchet strap, no joy. Thought maybe my compressor wasn't up to it, took it to a tire shop and they couldn't get it. I looked at a dozen youtube videos and finaly tried the starting fluid method. Was very impressive, scared the dog, but it seated.

Aired them to 36/42 as Duck and others suggested and immediately noticed a much smoother and quieter ride. On asphalt I could hear a rumbling that I thought was road but was my front tire. The Metzlers weren't worn down but the rear was over 10 years old and I just didn't want to go more than 25 miles from home or so.

I measured the tread depth, front was 5/32 and rear was 6/32, neither of which is very much. Now at 14,700 miles, lets see how long they last.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

had PR3's put on my RS last summer ,, 10,000kms so far and still lookin good
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you fall foul of insurance with mixed tyres??
They are always looking for a way out.
"Not as recommended by manufacturer" ????
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think as long as the tires are rated for motorcycle use, and you don't have a front tire mounted on a rear, or vise-versa, there shouldn't be any issues.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the national regulations, in Germany it must be from the same manufacturer and a matching pair.
Could be that other countries have close to similar rules.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inge K. wrote:
Depends on the national regulations, in Germany it must be from the same manufacturer and a matching pair.
Could be that other countries have close to similar rules.


Not doubting you but that seems kind of crazy. I've run mixed brand/model tires on several of my Ks without any handling issues.

Here in the US, many states don't even employ annual safety inspections. All they seem to really care about is registration revenue. For example, in Washington, I can register and get legal plates for a bike without any governmental agency ever even actually seeing the vehicle. All one needs is a VIN and a title.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also add that the tires must be approved by the vehicle manufacturer.
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