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Geoff Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 551 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Headlight Question |
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When I stored my '94 K1100RS a couple months ago, the headlight worked fine. Now, the low beam doesn't work. The high beam works fine, so I trust there's no problem with a fuse or the switch. I checked the connector at the headlight. Do I need a new bulb or is there something else I should check?
On another note...a post on the MOA message board said Sylvania Silverstar bulbs are short lived? Any truth to this comment? What's the part number for a Sylvania Silverstar for my bike. Does the Silverstar draw the same wattage as the stock lamp? _________________ 2000 R1100RT
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10088 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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It MIGHT be the switch but chances are that it's the bulb. If you have a voltmeter, then check the coltage at the socket that goes onto the headlight bulb to make sure.
Suppsoedly the US Silverstar bulbs are OK but what you really want is the European version. I don't know where you'd get one though. You might want to drop Jim Davis at Eastern Beaver a note http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/main.html to see if he knows how you can find one of the good ones in the US. _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
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Geoff Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 551 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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If the problem was the switch, why would the high beam work? Are the high/low beams on different circuits at the switch? I think it's the bulb, too. I'll visit a dealer tis week and pick one up. _________________ 2000 R1100RT
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Das Boot Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 458 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Flying Duck wrote: | It MIGHT be the switch but chances are that it's the bulb. If you have a voltmeter, then check the coltage at the socket that goes onto the headlight bulb to make sure.
Suppsoedly the US Silverstar bulbs are OK but what you really want is the European version. I don't know where you'd get one though. You might want to drop Jim Davis at Eastern Beaver a note http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/main.html to see if he knows how you can find one of the good ones in the US. |
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_list.asp?cat1=44&cat2=3
Try the Osram H4 Silverstars. I think they are best bulbs that you can drop in without any modifications. _________________ Dom |
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Klinker Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 876 Location: SD I-90
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Headlight Question |
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Geoff wrote: | ...Sylvania Silverstar bulbs are short lived? Any truth to this comment? |
YES!
And spread the word!
I burned through three sets of these over-priced P'sOS in the family car (with DRL's) in less than a year. Finally got smart and switched to a set of OEM long-life types which are still burning after three years. _________________ tlp
1994 K1100RS
Only the Reasonists. They believe in an evidence-based world, something called Rationalism. But it's a tiny group, not so influential.
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10088 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Geoff wrote: | If the problem was the switch, why would the high beam work? Are the high/low beams on different circuits at the switch? I think it's the bulb, too. I'll visit a dealer tis week and pick one up. |
There's different sets of contacts in the switch for the high and low beams.
There is a remote chance it's the switch. All of the power for the light goesthorugh the switch. This is why many people add relays and upgrade the wiring - more voltage to the bulb (=more light) and less chance of the switch crapping out.
I'd recommend getting some of the 55/60 "Superwhite" Xenon "HID"(they aren't really HID) H-4 bulbs that guys sell on ebay. They are inexpensive - now less than $10 a pair including shipping and from my experience they last about 25k miles.
Search ebay with "xenon h4"
Example: _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
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Geoff Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 551 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! _________________ 2000 R1100RT
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Jim Site Admin
Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 3841 Location: WHERETHEFUNNEVERENDS
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: hedlight |
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Geoff - I have Sylvania something (maybe Silverstar) bulbs that came from Europe. They're quite bright - haven't burned one out yet. I use a headlight relay from Jim at Eastern Beaver. _________________ Jim
1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - has gremlins!
1995 R100RT Classic 16,650 crashed - repairing
1992 K75RTP 46,000
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mrsevendog Big Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 65
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wera32 Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 427 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Geoff, Take the bulb out and look at it. If it's burned out you'll be able to tell and if it looks ok just check for continuity between the pins on the bulb. If you have and "open" the bulb is bad. _________________ Paul - '93 K11/12RS (sold), 2002 R1100S BCP and '03 RC51 KOG 29 |
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Off the grid Chaotic Good
Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 3414 Location: At the local taco truck waiting for Jo.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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A good solution for the future is to just not store your bike anymore. _________________ Bane of your existence since July 2006
2007 Triumph Tiger ABS. "Sabertooth"
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mnb Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 660 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Flying Duck wrote: | I'd recommend getting some of the 55/60 "Superwhite" Xenon "HID"(they aren't really HID) H-4 bulbs that guys sell on ebay. They are inexpensive - now less than $10 a pair including shipping and from my experience they last about 25k miles.
Search ebay with "xenon h4"
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Just did that a couple weeks ago. Picked up some UTech Super Plazma Xenon H4 55/60 "HID" bulbs. They're not really HIDs. And for some dumb reason, they blue tinted the bulb glass to make it look cool I'd rather it were clear... it'd be brighter. With shipping and everything, I paid $18 for a pair of bulbs.
I've never actually replaced the blub on my K bike. I can't recall the headlight ever burning out. I can reach the back of the assembly without removing anything from the bike. It's got a rubber boot around it. Is there any trick to removing this that I should know about (haven't tried yet). And once that's out of the way, the bulb socket assembly pulls out straight? Or twists out? I have some latex gloves to use for handling the bulb (although I'm going to use a paper towel as well in case there's powder on the gloves. |
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Geoff Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 551 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Off the grid wrote: | A good solution for the future is to just not store your bike anymore. |
I wish!
I'm going to pick up an OEM bulb from a dealer and replace the one on the bike. If the problem is something else, I'll just have a spare bulb. The replacement procedure is easy. What's difficult is accessing the bulb from the back of the headlight. It's tough for someone with large hands. _________________ 2000 R1100RT
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Mystic Red Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2330 Location: Twin Lakes Idaho
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Is there any trick to removing this that I should know about (haven't tried yet). And once that's out of the way, the bulb socket assembly pulls out straight? Or twists out? |
Just peel back the rubber boot. It's pretty tough. Behind that is a wire clip holding in the assembly. Squeeze it together and swing it out of the way. Remove bulb. Plug in the new bulb and insert assembly back in. Put in clip by squeezing it together and snapping it in place. It's more simple than it sounds and is covered in your owners manual. _________________ Scott Hespelt, '94 K11LT
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10088 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure on your year but some of the RT/LT/RS headlights have a little ring holding the bulb in. You have to turn the little ring (sharp edges) to get the bulb out and getting it poistioned right to put it back in is a PITA with the LT fairing.
Be thankful if you pull back the rubber boot and find the kind where you just have to squeeze the two halves of the clip together.
i wouldn't owrry about wearing gloves - it's pretty easy to install the H4 bulb without touching the glass. When I do inadvertently touch the bulbs, I just clean them off with rubbing alcohol. _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
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mnb Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 660 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mystic Red wrote: | It's more simple than it sounds and is covered in your owners manual. |
Heh, didn't think of checking that. It's not in the service manual, however (I checked).
thanks! I figured it wasn't difficult, but sometimes things work in a way you didn't expect and as the bike is getting old and things are slowly getting brittle, I figured I'd ask.
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Geoff Flying Brick Rider
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I picked up a replacement bulb. (Haven't installed it yet.) The dealer I visited advised me to stick with the stock bulb because higher wattage bulbs can actually melt the headlight assembly. _________________ 2000 R1100RT
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10088 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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FYI: A xenon bulb of the same wattage (55/60W) will produce more light and less heat than a comparable halogen 55/60W.
What your dealer was referring to was running a higher wattage halogen bulb. For example, if you ran a 90/100W halogen then it would produce more heat and probably melt the headlight casing and/or burn the reflctor.
However, the bigger issue if you haven't upgraded to relays is that with all of the power gouing throug hthe switch it probably won't last long.
I have relays and upgraded wiring on both of my bikes and run 90/100W xenon bubls in both of my bikes. I've put about 8k on the LT since doing this and had no problems. I did the same on my K100RS4V and had no problems and put 10k on that without incident - and that includes long hours in the saddle in SoCal during the summer months.
The only "issue" I have is that I have running a 90/100 xenon H4 is that I have to be very careful about verticla beam alignment of the low beam because if the low beam is hitting the eyes of oncoming cars or carsi in front of me at night it will not be good - not to mention the possiblity of getting a ticky since 90/100W bulbs of any kind are technically illegal for on road use.
That said, the increased brightenss of running a 90/100W xenon has made a noticeable difference in the number of cars that "don't see me" so I'm sold on this setup.
The other nice thing about the xenon bulbs is that they have a bluer less yellow appearance so your from the front your bike doesn't look like the antigue from the last century that it is.
If you don't plan on installing relays, I'd strongly recommend giving a <
$10 a pair set of xenons from ebay a try. It's only $10/pair and you might just like it - the lighting at night will be improved at the very least.
WARNING: Do not run a 90/100W xenon bulb unless you have installed relays and upgraded the headlight wiring - either with one of Jim Davis' kits or using "roll-your-own" relays like i haveon the RS and my brother's K75S. Otherwise you will fyr the skimpy stock wiring or at the veyr least, greatly reduce the lifespan of the hi/lo switch. _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
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Geoff Flying Brick Rider
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I installed a replacement (stock) bulb and everything works fine. Life is good again. _________________ 2000 R1100RT
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