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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:41 am    Post subject: More stupid questions.... Reply with quote

From the guy who thought "Slab" was an actual road surface.

Feel free to laugh out loud, but I want answers!

1. What exactly is a 2-stroke engine? What makes a 2-stroke different from a 4 stroke.

2. What exactly is a powerband?

3. If you use a clean towel after you get out of the shower, why do you have to wash towels?

Thats all for now kthx!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judgeing from the time post I would say 1) That Saturday night date with the girl down the street didn't farm out Sad or 2) She said she had to stay home and wash her hair Crying or Very sad . Either way you have way too much time on your hands Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See sig. Shocked

Had company tonight, shes passed out on the couch now. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'll give it a shot.

1. Two stroke: Our street bikes (K's, R's) are four stroke. That refers to the intake, compression, power and exhaust events that take place to make the engine produce power. On a four stroke, each event is given (more or less) 180 degrees of crankshaft rotation to accomplish (1/2 turn). Down- intake, up- compression, down- ignition/power, up- exhaust. A pop every OTHER revolution of the crankshaft. Described as one stroke of power and three strokes of wear.
On a two stroke, these events are combined into only a single up and down movement of the crankshaft. Up- intake/compression, near the top- ignition, down- power/exhaust/start of intake. A pop EVERY revolution. Two strokes are heavily dependent on subsonic pressure waves moving in the intake and exhaust tracts to effect breathing and power. Notice the fat mid sections and skinny tail ends of the exhaust systems. Most two strokes also breathe through the crankcase and have no internal oiling system. The oil is mixed in the fuel or injected into the intake. No oil changes! They also mostly have ball or roller bearing main and rod bearings. Maybe this is getting too technical.

2. Power band- This one is all over the map. It depends on what definition you want. I think our K bikes' power band is from about 2000 rpm to 8000+. If you are talking about the peak power output it is in the 6000 to 8000 range. Most people are talking about the latter. I laugh at the bike mags doing tests on middleweight 600's and saying the midrange (9000-11,000) is good/bad/indifferent. The rpm range is dependent on the engine design. Bore/stroke/rod length ratios, valve size, number of valves, component weight, etc. Then there is torque....

3. After a shower, you are theoretically as clean as you can be. Washing towels seems to be superfluous, until they start to smell.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: More stupid questions.... Reply with quote

Off the grid wrote:
From the guy who thought "Slab" was an actual road surface.

Feel free to laugh out loud, but I want answers!

1. What exactly is a 2-stroke engine? What makes a 2-stroke different from a 4 stroke.

2. What exactly is a powerband?

3. If you use a clean towel after you get out of the shower, why do you have to wash towels?

Thats all for now kthx!


Right, after stopping laughing (just kidding, I only to vividly remember the aghast loo kmy father gave after i mentioned i couldn't tell a 4 and a two stroke apart...)

well

1: animations help. heres a two stroke:

http://www.keveney.com/twostroke.html

and a 4 stroke:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm

the 4 stroke uses valves to control the mixture. fresh mixture in, burnt out. the valve train is a complex bit of machinery.

in contrast the 2 stroke uses the piston to open and close ports in the cilinder wall to allow mixture in and out. the obvious advantage is reduced complexity (no valves to adjust, nor a valve train present). A large downside of a two stroke is that the ports for fresh mixture and exhaust gas are open simultaniously, causing some fresh mixture to be lost. this is most apperent at low and medium throttle. Two stroke also produce a sharp exhaust note, very distinctive.

2: as far as I know, it's loosely defined as the rpm where a engine produces usable power. on a graph the available HP rises as RPM increases. the way this graph looks is a representation of powerband. a flat spot in the powerband, for instance, is a bit where rpm rises wthout the hp rising as much as at other rpm's. a peak, on the other hand, can be felt as well ,as a point where the engine gains a lot of HP. now, The k1100's have a very non exciting powerband graph, providing usable power from 1500 to redline..

there. clear as mud.

3: I'm not even touching that one..

HTH, Daniel
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the power curve for a K1100 engine. The top curve is power and the lower curve is torque.



75 kW= 100hp (roughly)

"Power band" generally refers to the higher portion of the power curve. This is why you hear people talking about "hitting the power band." For the above chart, I'd say the power band for a K1100 is in the 4 or 5 to 8,000 rpm range.

What does all of this mean? The only fun way to ride is above 4k with the throttle pegged. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use a silver sharpey pen and place a small mark on your tach at 1500 rpm's less than redline. Then make another mark at 2000 less than the first. Next, go out on your favorite deserted curvey road and burn it up staying in that rev range. You should be able to go like hell without risking any engine parts.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In regards to #3: After 2 weeks or so of using the same towel, I start hanging my Aerostich in the bathroom after rides. When I eventually hear them fighting in the middle of the night, I know it's time to wash the towel. Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Use a silver sharpey pen and place a small mark on your tach at 1500 rpm's less than redline. Then make another mark at 2000 less than the first. Next, go out on your favorite deserted curvey road and burn it up staying in that rev range. You should be able to go like hell without risking any engine parts.


Man after my own heart.

When I got my K a while back I would be reluctant to do this for one reason other than my driving skills......it's still a 15 year old bike.

However over time I have learned to "trust" the engine and realize that it loves the higher revs. It's almost like the engine was specifically designed to operate in those revs.

Regarding a 2-stroke and it's powerband, I will never forget riding my CR 125 and how it constantly wanted to buck me off anytime I got past half throttle. It was friggin possessed I tell ya!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the grid wrote:
However over time I have learned to "trust" the engine and realize that it loves the higher revs. It's almost like the engine was specifically designed to operate in those revs.


Yes, I belive this is true.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shoganai wrote:
Yes, I belive this is true.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time you rub against something you lose skin cells. It is estimated that over a life time you actually consume about 50 lbs of skin cells from your mouth and throat. Anyway, when you use a towel many of those skin cells stick to the towel, then because they are dead they begin to rot. Let that go long enough and you get rotting flesh smell.

About 85% of your household dust is flaked off skin cells as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Clauss wrote:
Every time you rub against something you lose skin cells. It is estimated that over a life time you actually consume about 50 lbs of skin cells from your mouth and throat. Anyway, when you use a towel many of those skin cells stick to the towel, then because they are dead they begin to rot. Let that go long enough and you get rotting flesh smell.

About 85% of your household dust is flaked off skin cells as well.

Sometimes being a Biology teacher means you know too much!

Thanks, John. Now I have nausea. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember being at a bike shop and hearing some Red Neck 1st grade adult asking the sales man "does this bike have powerbands"??? and his brother/cousin/father replied "hell yess, its got like 5 of em"!!!!

I was educated..........
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