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RAL88
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 Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: interesting oil comparison |
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look at these videos. One test uses Mobile 1 which is what I and I think many of us use in our bikes and the other video uses Schaeffer 7000 with Moly. The third video shows it running on a dry bearing after the Schaeffer. Interesting comparison. Any comments. When the first video is done the others will pop up on the bottom of the video screen and you can find the other tests.
http://www.truveo.com/Schaeffer-Oil-Video-2/id/2424858003
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Flying Duck
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Looks like a snake oil presentation to me.
The real test is having oil professionally analyzed after use and, more importantly, how entire engines hold up under prolonged use.
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RAL88
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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From the reports I have read on line from people using it I have not read anything negative yet. I would think that having moly in the oil would be just a beneficial as it is in the lube we use for the splines.
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Adrian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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The UK BMW Club technical chappie recommends the use of Slick 50 for use in Ks, has done for years.
I had another thought on oil consumption this morning 
I wonder how much difference leaving the bike on the side stand affects oild consuption. It's an accepted fact that the K will smoke on start up if left on the side stand.
I park my bike each day when going to work in it's side stand - approx 9 hours a day and the rest (when not riding  ) parked on the main stand. Wonder how this would compare to someone who only parked their bike on the main stand or only on the side stand... is this a bit anal 
Anyway - oil usage is about 1 litre per 1500 miles or thereabouts.
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Jim
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: oil |
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Slick 50 IS snake oil!
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Flying Duck
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: oil |
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| Jim wrote: | | Slick 50 IS snake oil! |
Worse than snake oil actually.
| Quote: | The Case of the Awful Additive
There's probably not a better-known name in the world of oil additives than Slick 50. They pretty much defined the market. Which makes it all the more interesting that they've been sued, big time.
The Federal Trade Commission took the first shot by filing a Complaint in 1996. In this complaint, they alleged that Slick 50 was lying when the company claimed that engines need Slick 50 during startup; or to prevent premature engine failure; or to reduce engine wear; or that it coats engine parts with PTFE; or that it increases horsepower or fuel efficiency, or lowers engine temperatures or emissions; or that it meets military specs or is used in government vehicles. Which is basically everything that Slick 50 claims in their advertising.
This case dragged on for a while, even as the company changed hands. Eventually Slick 50 elected to settle with the FTC. This settlement bars Slick 50 from making any of the above claims about the product and required Slick 50 to distribute at least $10 million in rebates.
What fascinates us is that Slick 50 is no longer allowed to claim a benefit from using their product. Yet it still sells. People will buy anything. Don't be one of them!
But it doesn't stop there for Slick 50. The class-action lawyers stepped in.
Although there are several suits against Slick 50, the one we have information on is Raysic v. Quaker State-Slick 50 Inc.. They made it easy by creating a Slick 50 Class Action Information Center (now offline). Here's the deal:
According to the Preliminary Settlement Notice, shortly after the FTC action began, Slick 50 was hammered with eight class-action lawsuits. Some of these eventually consolidated with Raysic while others are still pending.
These class-actions all basically held the same grievances as the FTC action and resulted in much the same solution: Slick 50 saying they did nothing wrong but paying out tons of money.
The settlement provides for the distribution of $20 million in rebates -- which, in our mind, suggests that Slick 50 would rather make a huge payoff than face a detailed scrutiny of their business practices. Which, further, suggests that Slick 50 should be avoided at all cost. Which is what we intend to do.
This $20 million in rebates is available to anyone who has purchased a bottle of Slick 50 before 23 September 1997. Each person will receive $15.00 in rebates per purchase of Slick 50. The catch is, it's not cash. You have to buy Quaker State products to get your money. For a product which is generally acknowledged to cause the occasional engine seizure,  this seems more like a slap in the face than a settlement. But there you go.
At least the lawyers get rich. The Preliminary Settlement Notice also provides for the lawyers to pursue $3.25 million in cash to reimburse expenses.
We have the original Federal Trade Commission Complaint and Notice, with all the accusations; the Agreement Containing Consent Order; and the Decision and Order, which details the final settlement.
The parties in Raysic reached a settlement on 31 January 1998, which was conditionally certified by the court on 16 March 1998. The court held a fairness hearing on 13 July 1998, when it issued a notice of final settlement. Class members have until 16 November 1998 to identify themselves and receive the rebate vouchers. We have the full text of the Preliminary Settlement Notice and the Final Settlement Notice.
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Daniël V
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| additives: Just say no! |
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Euripides
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Good advice from Jim and Flying Duck about Slick 50! Do NOT use it! Moly is a known anti-wear additive for oils used in racing engines. Moly is short for molybidimum disulfide. It is an excellent extreme pressure lubrication additive material that has been used for years in greases and oils. It will coat the internal wear surfaces of an engine and help prevent wear. However, it has one major problem. When used in crankcase oil, it will appear in the exhaust system and will coat the internals of any oxygen sensor or catalytic converter and prevent those from functioning. If your bike is an older model without an oxygen sensor or catalytic converter, then a good quality oil with moly should work well; otherwise, avoid using it. Oils containing moly also work well in transmissions and final drive gear boxes.- Euripides |
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RAL88
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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I've been reading a lot on moly disulfide and the use of it in final drives and transmissions in motorcycles. Also after talking with some mechanic friends I picked up a pound of 1.5 micron moly disulfide which I will be adding to my mobile 1 rear drive and tranny oil. As Euripides says it will work well in the tranny and rear drive. From reading up on moly in the crankcase it seems that it will work if you keep it down to a 1% solution and you use a 1 micron size. This is suppose to be able to go through most filters. I'm not ready to try it in the crankcase. It has also been used in wet clutch bikes at 1% with no problems of clutch slippage.
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