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the f ing uaw should tap their billions and throw it to the weak...
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like a motobrick out of he11...
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What's messed up is that the big 3 caught most of the flak that the public had for the banking "bailout".
At least the big 3 actually provide a product, albeit a shitty one. (unlike banks and mortgage brokers who are basically criminals in suits)
And why do they call it a "bailout"? Why not call it what it is....a fucking GIFT comprised of OUR tax dollars........
People actually think this or the 800+ fucking billion will be paid back????!!! 
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Wait until Obama starts using your money to pay the mortgages of people who bought houses they couldn't afford.
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| Quote: | What's messed up is that the big 3 caught most of the flak that the public had for the banking "bailout".
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+1!
What in the hell is wrong with people's critical thinking skills?
The American auto industry was not in perfect shape; but, tremendous progress has been made in efficiency improvements over the last several years.
Tight money, due to irresponsible lending, is what's killing all of the auto companies. It's difficult for buyers to fund purchases/leases, and almost impossible for dealers to secure a line-of-credit to stock inventory.
The American makers, because of short-sighted product planning, and tremendous retirement obligations, cannot weather the economic storm as well as the offshores.
Our rage should be directed toward the finance community, and our related government agencies! If you really think the evil ones are in the American auto industry, you are an ignorant pawn of the media.
Senator Shelby, the dishonorable F:"khead from Alabama, is on TV preaching about how the American auto companies don't deserve help; while he arranged the following subsidies for foreign companies:
"In Alabama, Hyundai has received $252.8 million, Toyota has received $29 million, Honda $158 million and Mercedes-Benz $258 million." He also said that Alabama's further incentives, such as training Mercedes workers, agreeing to buy Mercedes vehicles and clearing the proposed factory, amounted to a further subsidy of about $175,000 per worker."
Chrysler had $9,000,000,000 in cash reserves, a few months, before the economic nightmare.
The major competitive disadvantage incurred by the Americans is retirement costs - about $2,500 per vehicle for GM. This is something the offshores do not need to deal with; since, they offer much lower benefits, and/or have a comparatively young workforce.
American workers are very productive; and, in recent years, actual product quality is very close, and sometimes better than the Asian makers. Perception takes awhile to catch up with reality.
Do you know which engine manufacturing plant won the award this year for producing 4 cylinder engines, in North America, most efficiently?
A UAW represented plant in Southeast Michigan - They beat Toyota!
So, use your brain. Understand what you are talking about before you support a side. Support your country!
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Sonu
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| Flying Duck wrote: | | Wait until Obama starts using your money to pay the mortgages of people who bought houses they couldn't afford. |
+1
This proposal drives me nuts. Encourage folks to live beyond their means at the expense of folks who live below their means.
All these bailouts defeat the free markets mechanisms of "self-correcting"
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: new car ad... |
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| Jim wrote: | | You would not buy our shitty cars[/img] |
20 years ago I'd agree with you. Of late the American cars look appealing to me & have improved their reliability. I think a used American car is the best bang for the buck if shopping for reliable wheels today....
Sanjiv
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maybe things have improved in the last 10 years. My '99 Chevy S-10 is on its fourth AC compressor, third fuel pump, second alternator, second water pump, second set of front rotors (and it now needs a third set) and third set of front calipers. Maybe these are all parts that are sourced from someplace with poor quality control.
It uses brake pads like they were free. Until I switched to after market serpentine belts, I had to change belts way too often. The S-10 has 125,000 miles. Various and sundry little parts have broken - some weren't worth replacing. The S-10 gets amazingly poor gas mileage.
I changed the accessory belt on the 2000 Honda Insight at 120,000 miles - although I wasn't sure it needed it - I just changed it. I've put a couple sets of brake pads on it, and changed rotors once. Everything else is original. The Honda now has 126,00 miles.
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Sonu
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Jim,
Sorry about your bad experience. I'm only going by Consumer Reports results which sez the American cars have been getting better particularly in last 5 years. I like the looks of the recent american cars. That said my $$ have gone to Jap cars so far (Cant afford the risk!)
94 Camry XLE. NOTHING BROKE DOWN EVER. All maintenance was preventive. Changed fluids as prescribed. Changed timing belt at 90K. Car was totalled when a moron fell asleep in broad daylight and rear ended me. It had 175K on the clock and I got a $7K insurance settlement. Ironically I was driving home after a car shopping trip and asking my wife. "Honey, what do we do with this car now that you're getting a mini-van. There is nothing wrong with it & we lack the space to keep it". LOUD BANG. Solution at hand!
95 Acura Integra. Sole problem was a leaky radiator - replaced at 90K while the car was in for a scheduled timing belt change. All maintenance was preventive. Car was stolen with 130K on the clock (again nice insurance settlement). I'd still be driving it today.
05 Acura TL. 45K on the clock. A couple of minor warranty repairs & they replaced the battery for free while it was in (battery was low because I've been riding to work & the car sits on the driveway !)
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They might be getting better, but they are still way, way behind the quality of Japanese cars.
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| Off the grid wrote: | | They might be getting better, but they are still way, way behind the quality of Japanese cars. |
I must say that I'm in love with my heavy duty truck. And I just don't see the replacement out there for my 2004 Silverado 2500HD in regards to the Japanese offerings. I don't think I would even give them the chance to sway me.
That being said... If the big three (correct me, didn't Ford say they are solvent?) would file chapter 11 (restructuring) that would be the best option for the big three and the industry.
This all started with bad real estate loans to people that where attempting to live, well beyond their means. I say "suck it up"!!! You knew the gambol/risk you where taking, if not you should be removed from the jean pool... And thanks from the rest of us that live within our means.
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I agree that heavy trucks the big 3 have an edge, but for 90% of America who only need decent, non-gas guzzling transportation they suck. I mean really suck.
| Quote: | | This all started with bad real estate loans to people that where attempting to live, well beyond their means. I say "suck it up"!!! You knew the gambol/risk you where taking, if not you should be removed from the jean pool... And thanks from the rest of us that live within our means. |
Well that's open to debate isn't it. I have no doubt that people got in way over their heads....but 700 fucking billion dollars worth?
No way.
The mortgage and loan/banking industry in the biggest group of thieves/liars/embezzlers this country has ever seen, and America has been fleeced by THEM, not your neighbor who cannot make his mortgage payment.
If you think that banks issuing mortgages and loans to people that cannot afford to pay them back and that is the sole reason why the country is in this debacle we are in now then we really don't have much to discuss.
@ that theory
Might as well say that Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and the reason we are in Iraq is WMDs. 
PS: "Gene pool"
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Roy S.
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| Off the grid wrote: | I agree that heavy trucks the big 3 have an edge, but for 90% of America who only need decent, non-gas guzzling transportation they suck. I mean really suck.
| Quote: | | This all started with bad real estate loans to people that where attempting to live, well beyond their means. I say "suck it up"!!! You knew the gambol/risk you where taking, if not you should be removed from the jean pool... And thanks from the rest of us that live within our means. |
Well that's open to debate isn't it. I have no doubt that people got in way over their heads....but 700 fucking billion dollars worth?
No way.
The mortgage and loan/banking industry in the biggest group of thieves/liars/embezzlers this country has ever seen, and America has been fleeced by THEM, not your neighbor who cannot make his mortgage payment.
If you think that banks issuing mortgages and loans to people that cannot afford to pay them back and that is the sole reason why the country is in this debacle we are in now then we really don't have much to discuss.
@ that theory
Might as well say that Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and the reason we are in Iraq is WMDs.
PS: "Gene pool" |
I have no words.
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