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Transmission, Gearbox, Clutch? 92 K75

 
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poetryandmotorbikes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Transmission, Gearbox, Clutch? 92 K75 Reply with quote

Hi guys

I've got pictures of my K75 to post, planning on doing that tonight. Hope you are all well.

I've finally got my 92 K75S back from the shop and am in the process of fixing the other issues. I'll post an update on my other thread shortly. My question today is regarding the clutch. I'm having a few problems:

- Shifting up from first to second, I would say 1/3rd of the time I get stuck in Neutral and have to really kick it.
- Shifting down from 3rd to 2nd when the bike is moving is a struggle. I hear gears hitting against each other and I have to bear the sound of it and really whack down or wait till the bike has fully slowed.
- Shifting down from 2nd to 1st when the bike is moving, does the same thing as above.
- Occasionally shifting up between 2nd and 3rd, I hit some sort of weird neutral ground, where my gear counter goes blank and its seem I'm halfway between the gears.

I'm quite a bit worried because its really quite a pain in the ars right now. I'm going to try adjusting the footlever and maybe tighten up the clutch cable a bit? What are some thoughts on what it could be?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's really nothing to adjust on the foot shift lever. The slot should be aligned with the mark on the shaft.

Proper clutch cable adjustment:
http://smithduck.home.comcast.net/~smithduck/bmw/tech/clutchadjust/clutchadjustk.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spline lube time maybe.......
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:
There's really nothing to adjust on the foot shift lever. The slot should be aligned with the mark on the shaft.


How about rotating the lever downward by 1 spline?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SugarHillCTD wrote:
Flying Duck wrote:
There's really nothing to adjust on the foot shift lever. The slot should be aligned with the mark on the shaft.


How about rotating the lever downward by 1 spline?


I suppose if you have thick boots/big feet that rotating up a notch might do something but it won't impact how the tranny shifts.

The one thing you don't want to do is FORCE it to shift as that can bend the fork inside. Brute force is your enemy, not a cure.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adjusted the clutch cable - no real change. Still a horrible grinding from second to first and inconsistently shifting from first to second.

Transmission fluid recently changed.

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Spline lube time maybe.......

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poetryandmotorbikes wrote:
Adjusted the clutch cable - no real change. Still a horrible grinding from second to first and inconsistently shifting from first to second.

Transmission fluid recently changed.

Any ideas?


Find a replacement. It'll be cheaper than trying to fix it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eesh. Thats tough news.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poetryandmotorbikes wrote:
Eesh. Thats tough news.


Not really when you start looking at several hours of labor and BMW part$ vs. a few hundred for a used tranny.

When the splines stripped on my K75RT it was a no brainer.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:
poetryandmotorbikes wrote:
Eesh. Thats tough news.


Not really when you start looking at several hours of labor and BMW part$ vs. a few hundred for a used tranny.

When the splines stripped on my K75RT it was a no brainer.


Alright, keep your eyes out for one - if you see one floating around whereever you find your parts, let me know. I'll either be buying one soon or I'll ride this till the spring and then replace before I do any touring.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Red wrote:
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Spline lube time maybe.......

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifting erratic
all I want to do is ride
spline lube time maybe
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're talking about the clutch spline lube as detailed here http://www.ibmwr.org/ktech/clutch-spline-lube2.shtml ?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep thats the one, if it is getting stiff it will cause problems shifting gear.

When the last oil change was done what was the old oil like, clean? dirty?

Would be unusual to have problems with the amount of gears you do if its the box its self unless you have bent/damaged the selector shaft.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dry splines usually cause sticky downshifting, not grinding gears. And the sticky downshifting usually manifests itself in higher gears.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this'll help if your transmission isn't shot: http://www.k11og.org/tech/k11tech_shifting.shtml
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if the K11 uses the same parts but on the R11's the main probs with shifting can be bent selector forks. This is probably due to mis-shifts before which can bent/damage the forks and lead to premature wear.

When you change gear the fork may not be able to get the gear wheel far enough accross for a clean change. Selector fork wear on the R11's shows up in small alloy particles in the gearbox oil, more easily seem by shining a torch in the oil. The R11 forks are alloy base with a hardened coating. Once the coating wears then the alloy is exposed and this wears far quicker.

Obviously if you remove the box for a spline lube 1st but the oil change can give you some idea.

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