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merlin geikie
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Some Opinions Please :-) Reply with quote

Am looking at a nicely kept K100 RS abs four valve 1992 with 60K miles on the clock.

How do these machines stack up against a 1993 K11 RS in terms of handling, power etc etc.

Maybe Tech isn't the right place for this but I couldn't think of anywhere else that may be more suitable.

Thanks in advance for any stories and opinion here.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
The only thing I've heard bad about the 4-valve K100RS bikes is problems with cracking the exhaust where the pipes enter the muffler. Other than that, they're probably bulletproof like the rest of the K-bikes.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much the same bike except for the fairing which makes the thigh heat a little hotter on the K11RS.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil Marvin wrote:
Hi,
The only thing I've heard bad about the 4-valve K100RS bikes is problems with cracking the exhaust where the pipes enter the muffler. Other than that, they're probably bulletproof like the rest of the K-bikes.


Same issue for the K1100s.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The K100RS-16v does have a weakness, the driveshaft, if it does go bad it usually happens around 55k (Bob Cox and Joe Senner can testify to that.) I am not sure how you would check for it absent removing the final drive and pulling it, maybe put it up on the centerstand with the weight on the front wheel and spin the rear checking for any notchiness?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ted wrote:
The K100RS-16v does have a weakness, the driveshaft, if it does go bad it usually happens around 55k (Bob Cox and Joe Senner can testify to that.) I am not sure how you would check for it absent removing the final drive and pulling it, maybe put it up on the centerstand with the weight on the front wheel and spin the rear checking for any notchiness?


As we've seen here lately, so does the K1100 drive shaft. Same part.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Thanks for your help Reply with quote

Sounds like the K100 RS 4 valve is pretty much the same as the K11 RS.

I notice they have the same compression and ponies, but the K100 seems to have to work harder.

So maybe the K11 RS is a more easy going motor and a little less tuned and therefore more flexible torque?

Duck, you had one, how did it compare for ride-ability with the K11RS?

I guess the fact that you sold it says it all Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks for your help Reply with quote

merlin geikie wrote:
Sounds like the K100 RS 4 valve is pretty much the same as the K11 RS.


Yes, the suspension, forks, frame, geometry, wheels, final drive and everything are pretty much the same.

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I notice they have the same compression and ponies, but the K100 seems to have to work harder.


I've heard that at the time they were built that some Euro countries had a 100 hp limit so I'd guess that both bikes are "detuned" to some extent. At least in the US, the K11s all have a catalytic converter so there's that adding weight and sucking power.

My K100RS never felt like it was having to work hard.


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So maybe the K11 RS is a more easy going motor and a little less tuned and therefore more flexible torque?


I doubt there's that much difference.


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Duck, you had one, how did it compare for ride-ability with the K11RS?


If you check the factory specs, you'll see that the K11RS is about 70 pounds heavier. That's 10%+ more weight. My seat of the pants evaluation says that the K100RS4V is accordingly a wee bit more nimble.

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I guess the fact that you sold it says it all Laughing


At the time I was attempting to be "rational" and get back to owning just one bike. I did have seller's remorse after selling the K100RS4V. Also, ever since getting the LT, I'd always kind of lusted after a red RS. So between that and the K100RS4V seller's remorse, when a good deal on a red RS crossed my path a few months later I couldn't resist.

Having owned both, if I were looking at them, I'd go for the best deal, lowest miles, best maintained on either.



I still need to get a good poser pic of the K1100RS. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More:

Personally I think the K1100RS is a better looking bike, especially in red, but for some reason I got noticeably more "nice bike" compliments when I owned the K100RS4V. Not sure why..... Question


Edit: It's probably that my RS is so fooking spectacular looking that people are afraid to approach it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:47 am    Post subject: Thanks for all that good info... Reply with quote

Duck is wistful;
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I got noticeably more "nice bike" compliments when I owned the K100RS4V. Not sure why.....


Wow.............. I can see why, Man, that is one beautiful machine. Beemered

It is sort of more slender than the K11 around the neck, giving the appearance of agility and gracefulness.

The darkness is alluring, like a dark horse, glinting in the light.

Thank you for all that good comparison, I had noted the weight difference, the specs even show a higher top speed Wink

They come with the Abs I which, I guess is a little less weight.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:
Ted wrote:
The K100RS-16v does have a weakness, the driveshaft, if it does go bad it usually happens around 55k (Bob Cox and Joe Senner can testify to that.) I am not sure how you would check for it absent removing the final drive and pulling it, maybe put it up on the centerstand with the weight on the front wheel and spin the rear checking for any notchiness?
As we've seen here lately, so does the K1100 drive shaft. Same part.
My K11LT (1993) has got to 60K with no issues but I'm about to lube my splines so I'll report back.
I too think the K11RS is better looking than the 100, my mate has given me first refusal on his '93 (I think) K11RS but I'm more than happy with the LT,
but the RS is definitely a looker,esp the 1100.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With respect to ABS, I prefer the ABS I. Why? On uneven pavement or lanesplitting(a.k.a. filtering) on road nipples the ABS II yields more "false positives" as I call them - letting the rear brake off when it shouldn't.

It also does it if you come over a rise while braking and get the rear end really light. ABS I has never done this - at least for me. I've got a rise right before a stop sign that I hit every time I leave my house. When I first got the K11RS I stopped about ten feet beyond where I wanted to because the rear ABS let go on me. Something I learned to be careful about.

Also spline lubes are easier on an ABS I bike.

Both ABS I and II are "chunky" and fairly primitive by today's standards but they do work and, when you need it, are effective.

ABS I weighs a bit more. A pair of ABS front and rear modulators weighs 17 pounds 10 ounces while the combined ABS II modulator weighs 11 pounds 7 ounces.

Though I certainly believe it while riding/pushing the K1100RS, I can't figure out exactly where all of that extra 70 pounds comes from. The fairing, side panels and catalytic converter account for some of it I'm sure but 70 pounds seems like a lot. The frame's probably a little heavier on the K1100RS too because it's got two members in a V in the center under the tank while the K100RS4V has one single member up the middle.

And if you look at the 94+ bikes they've got a "half" battery while the earlier bikes have a full-sized battery. The 94+ bikes also have a lighter two piece stamped paralever while the earlier bikes have a heavier solid rod. It's a big mystery to me where all of that additional weight comes from. Question
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh,heh,heh, he said member heh,heh... Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BobZ(IL) wrote:
heh,heh,heh, he said member heh,heh... Laughing Laughing



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BobZ(IL) wrote:
heh,heh,heh, he said member heh,heh... Laughing Laughing


He said "single member up the middle" Rolling Eyes Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preverts!!!! Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Members pleeeeeaaaaase :-) Reply with quote

Jim is happy for Bob;


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BobZ(IL) wrote:
heh,heh,heh, he said member heh,heh... Laughing Laughing


He said "single member up the middle" Rolling Eyes Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Sheeeeeesh Duck your mates are taking the piss, as the Brits say Laughing

Good not to take life too seriously, motorbike talk is serious enough Wink

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