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[drikko]

http://www.youtube.com/v/XRmgI_WXff0
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K1100RS '97
Laverda RGS 1000 '84
Jim Young Trailer Sailer 5.7M WB

DISCLAIMER:- Anything I say may have been when I was drunk so please don't take it personally.

'Bigamy is having one wife/husband too many. Monogamy is the same.'
Oscar Wilde

[Geoff]

Wow!
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2008 H-D Electra Glide Ultra Classic

[carp]

Turkey is caught between east and west with some nasty history. It is situated between Islam and western secularism. Not an easy place to be. It is an amazing country and I would like to return to it on motorcycle. Spent some days in Ephesus, home to temple of Artimus, the largest Christian church building in the world at one time - St John's, and a muslim fort that is falling apart. Makes your realize how young the US is and how much of our "civilized" history we owe to the Middle East.
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93 K1100LT
07 Bandit 1250S

[Flying Duck]

[Off the grid]

Austria, maker of KTM, bringing the pain.

The hypocrisy of Islam, "The Religion of Peace" is staggering.
(How anyone can say that with a straight face is beyond me)


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2009 Husqvarna TE610. "The dirty Italian mistress"

[SugarHillCTD]

Religion will surely be the demise of humanity.

Each religion is only based on belief, NO proof- just like witchcraft.

Belief (which in many cases) can and does develop into strong belief and in some instances extreme/fanatical devotion.

I gotta' stop there before...........
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[Ernie-NH]

Hi guys...

Re John's comment on "religion".... Thomas Jefferson once commented that "..Religion(s) is the bane of humanity ! "" Even though a secular world seems a cold place to be, a world overrun and dictated to by religious dogma seems also no fit place in which to survive.

Regards all............// Ernie in NH
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[carp]

Nobody's beliefs are based on proofs. The most important assumptions can't be verified whether you are religious, agnostic, or athiest. So we all frame our understanding of reality based on unverifiable assumptions - which could be called faith or science or cynicism in whatever or whoever.

I have had very good muslim friends, some from Pakistan even and I get a bit defensive when people label them. I have personally witnessed Muslims being persecuted by Christians. There are more innocent muslims dying from US military intervention in the middle east than there are innocent westerners who have been killed by terrorists - yet we are the enlightened ones and they are the killers. Not saying we shouldn't defend ourselves from some madmen, just realize most muslims share many of the same values we do. It only takes 1/10 of one percent of a billion muslims willing to die for what they believe to create chaos and insecurity. AQ and affilicates are the enemy. Suicide bombers are the enemy. They are a small percentage of muslims.
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93 K1100LT
07 Bandit 1250S

[Off the grid]

[carp]

Suicide bombers are our biggest security threat, not Islam's biggest or only problem. I lived in a large muslim city for three years and never felt threatened - except for the traffic and the way people drove.

A book worth reading is "Who Speaks for Islam" I copied the below from Amazon.com and would recommend the book if you are interested in what muslims really think. The book jives with my experience of the Muslims I have lived with and talked to.

"The result is Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, based on six years of research and more than 50,000 interviews representing 1.3 billion Muslims who reside in more than 35 nations that are predominantly Muslim or have sizable Muslim populations. Representing more than 90% of the world's Muslim community, it makes this poll the largest, most comprehensive study of its kind.

What the data reveal and the authors illuminate may surprise you:

* Muslims and Americans are equally likely to reject attacks on civilians as morally unjustifiable.
* Large majorities of Muslims would guarantee free speech if it were up to them to write a new constitution AND they say religious leaders should have no direct role in drafting that constitution.
* Muslims around the world say that what they LEAST admire about the West is its perceived moral decay and breakdown of traditional values -- the same answers that Americans themselves give when asked this question.
* When asked about their dreams for the future, Muslims say they want better jobs and security, not conflict and violence.
* Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims and respect Islam.

The research suggests that conflict between Muslims and the West is NOT inevitable and, in fact, is more about policy than principles. "However," caution Esposito and Mogahed, "until and unless decision makers listen directly to the people and gain an accurate understanding of this conflict, extremists on all sides will continue to gain ground."


PS I respect Muslims much more than I respect Islam based on friendships.
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[Off the grid]

Well said. I have no doubt there are good people that are Muslims.

The religion of Islam, however, is one of the greatest evils in the world today.
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[Geoff]

[merlin geikie]

What you all above have shown in the discussion, is a tolerance for a large variety of opinions and standpoints.

That is exactly what it takes, in our many cultures, for humanity to thrive.

There are so many sides to issues and no-one can know them all, which is why level-headed respect and a willingness to listen, is so important.

The to-ing and fro-ing of experience and knowledge can only really happen in an environment of acceptance.

It is the environment of genuine acceptance, concern and humane values which stops fanaticism in its tracks.

So well done and with your attributes we can move, up and over, all the obstacles to a healthy world community.

Great Festive Season to Y'all
Thanks for all you have given me...
m from downunder oz