K11 Owners Group

Gary Bennett · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:58 am Post subject:

Well said Ausbrick and RAL88, I agree, the criticism and chatroom crap has been getting progressively worse over the past couple of years. Those that are 'disturbed by the whining' should stop the criticism and accept that other people have have opinions and views and they shouldn't be criticised for expressing them.
Personally, I rarely get onto the forum anymore because I got fed with the criticism and as a result many mods I have done have not been shared. Strangely my biggest critciser seams to be accepting some of my mods that I copped shit over.
It would be great for the forum to get back to where it was, a place to share ideas, knowledge and mods (as weird as some are) without the threat of being criticised.
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Beachcomber · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:53 am Post subject:

Hi gents - thanx for leaping to my defence - but I take ALL postings at face value, and if neccessary can give as good as I get. Wink

The problem with the written word is that there is no body language [ body English?] to support the MEANING. Many times I've read a fax, e-mail and initially had a minor internal explosion - then read it again and then you can see 2,3 ....4 possible meanings, and if the real meaning is ambiguous, ask for clarification. I don't even bother with phone texts.

"What do you want to do that for?" Beemered

1. Genuine enquiry, as the questioner wishes to be enlightened, or maybe has an interest to do the same thing themselves. Laughing

2. Sarcastic comment, real meaning - the questioner knows far more than you - so why are you bothering - or Rolling Eyes

3. Sarcastic comment but in reality the questioner knows farg all about the topic and in reality has no interest and really just wants to wind you up. Rolling Eyes

4. Jocular - supportive from someone who KNOWS you have the capability of doing "IT" and is having a laugh with you for all the work you are going to create for yourself. Cool

OH and I guess a #5 - If the question is asked by a Police Officer - you better have a good response!

there's maybe more, but why would I want to find them.....because [ oh no]

As an English graduate [ and commercial author ] I try to make my written words as clear as possible the first time round. I HAVE become lazy in my use of English, but never the less still try. Wink

In conclusion - I take no offence at the one liners - here or elsewhere, I enjoy the odd bit of sarcasm [ as long as the perpetrator can take it as well] - and certainly will continue to ask questions that ellicit the response "Why"..............

BTW way - you can always pick out your own [ from 1 thro' 4 ] reasons for asking????? Laughing

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Ragman · Mad Brick Rider Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 97

I think an oiler cooler would cool things down considerbly.. I stuck one on my Hadley and it cooled the engine about 50 degrees. In fact I have to shut it of in the winter.

It may work too good on a K. so a correct thermostat might be nessary. Not to mention how to hook one up. May be a can of worms, maybe not.

The Hadley and the K are two different animals. Thank goodness!

Rag.
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Flying Duck · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject:

Ragman · Mad Brick Rider Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 97

The Harley is air cooled. Thats what I meant by the "different animal" comment. I think some water cooled bikes also have oil coolers.

As you said, it may help with the rider heat issues.
Being air cooled, the Harley runs best between 180*-220*. Below that water does not vaporize and sludge raises it's ugly head. Over 220 and engine parts degrade. My particular Harley runs at the very highest around 240* on a real HOT summer day. So that's why I installed the oil cooler.

I know this isn't a Harley forum so please forgive my comparisons, but I thought I'd give my 1 cent.

I'm sure BMW would have added a cooler if nessesary but I also think they don't have too many 100* days in Germany, either.

So it seems the issue would be to see if a cooler would provide enough cooling to affect the riders comfort and still run in the acceptable temperature range to ensure long engine life. I just don't know.

How's that for a rambling bulls**t opinion!

It will be real interesting to see if Beachcomer comes up with something.

Ragman
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Scott_Anderson · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject:

Well I suppose that if the engineers had designed the block and oil pan without the "cooling" fins they may have had an external oil cooler instead.
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Flying Duck · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject:

I've always thought the issue with K heat is that there's nowhere for the air to go. Sure the fairing lowers are vented but the air is pushed straight up and back and onto the underside of the tank where it "turbulates" around before it goes out of the fairing vents EVENTUALLY after leaving a lot of heat in the bike.

The Johnny blanket helps by insulating the tank and side panels a bit better but the air is still doing the same thing. Turbulating behind the fan.

The relay box is also essentially a wall that traps heat. Probably not feasible on an ABS II bike but one idea I have is to "compress" the relay box somehow and duct some heat out the back, maybe even with a small assist fan at one end of the ducting. You could just close the ducting in cooler months.

Or having two fans behind the radiator in a V that push the heated air to the side. Though that's probably not possible given space limitations.

Another idea I've toyed is getting some quality thin 5" fans from SPAL or somebody to install on each vent to help get the heat out of there but then I wonder if vortexes would end up just cooking your calves instead of your thighs.

I've got a 7 inch reversible radiator fan that I plan to experiment with on my RS. Since it's reversible I may try having it push air and see how that works out. Once at speed you don't really need the fan so that MIGHT work to get heat out of the front at lower speeds when the fan kicks in. (OR maybe the fan pushes already - can't remember off the top of my head.)

How's THAT for rambling? Laughing

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Beachcomber · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:34 am Post subject:

Far from rambling Duck - it's very informative, for stock bikes of course! Laughing

I WILL have a similar problem [ probably] with my Race Rep which has a very close fitting Yamaha R6 fairing. Most current Jap Rice Rockets have internal ducting now for that very reason [ getting the heat out ].
I still fancy those sexy cut-outs that Cobas and Brune use which exposes the valve cover / "sump" through the fairing lower.

I did a lot of work with air cooled engines in the past 25 years [ VW and Porsche] and I developed an electrical fan conversion for the 4 cylinder engines. The fan sat in a Porsche upright shroud and was governed by 3 temp sensors. This was in 356 Speedster and 550 Spyder replicas.

Another Kay forum is currently running a thread to replace the OEM fan with an upgraded aftermarket unit - that is also half the cost. Not sure what the protocol is about giving out other forum addresses ????

Re: "will it, won't it" - BMW sorted it out for the K1200, so I guess it's a "will". Cool

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robleyd · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:35 am Post subject:

Flying Duck · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:36 am Post subject:

Beachcomber · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:00 am Post subject:

I guess that 's OK then. I'll get the relevant details up in the next 24 hrs. Wink

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Rafal · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:56 am Post subject:

Beachcomber · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject:

BMW owners have not yet got into the "rip it apart and make something different" mentality that I was brought up on. Wink

Indeed one of the forums [ UK ] took great offence when I started posting about converting Airheads to Flat Trackers, and Kays to Streetfighters !!!!!!

But if we don't try the alternate path - we'll never know. Pioneering spirit eh? Twisted Evil

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Flying Duck · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject:

The fan I'm going to try in my RS was only $35 shipped. I'm pretty sure it's the same one Larry's been using. Claims 1100 CFM.

http://www.robietherobot.com/storm/prodinfo.htm?sku=7-in-fan&cart=uatydwdr
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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
Buy parts HERE

michaelcurrin · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:22 pm Post subject:

michaelcurrin · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject:

Beachcomber · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject:

At the risk of repetition - Hot Rodders were around a long time before restorers.....................................................................

There is NO such thing as the perfect factory motorcycle - I challenge ANY forum member to tell us they have made no changes to their bikes from the showroom floor spec.

We ALL modify our machines - it's just the degree of modification that seems to alienate some. Me - I like a LOT of modification.
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lrome48 · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:09 am Post subject:

lrome48 · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:57 am Post subject:

Beachcomber · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:14 am Post subject:

Hey Larry,

many thanx for the detailed info and installation pix - boy do I love these forums !!

I have a choice of several leftover oil cooler rads from my Circuit Racing days, and based on your data I can choose one that will give me the desired cooling. I've sourced a couple of neat little Turbo Intercoolers and will look at incorporating one into the package.
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