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Mystic Red
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for using all tech out there to be seen is absolutely a great choice! I choose to use a more logical one.


Why not use BOTH. Tech and all the knowledge you possess? That's my point.
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jim'sbeemer2
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Location: Hurley, NY

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not have any reasons as to why you shouldn't use tech and knowledge to you're advantage. Smile I feel that the tech end has a long way to go. Flashing lights to most mean emergency vehicles, ambulance, cop cars and of course cop motor bikes, in some states. I just said as before, it is my responsibility to make sure, I the rider, and they, the passenger, is safe. Irregardless of any flashing lights bells whistles etc, the motorcycle opperator needs to be highly objective to all situations that come up. If you remember in my last thread, I made eye contact with a 4 wheeler or so "I" thought, and still nearly got hit by them when I proceeded into the intersection and then they did too. I no longer trust the "other driver" for their actions. Mine prevails in the end. Ie. if a 4 wheeler tells me to go, no thanks you first. I had a friend that made that mistake, and it nearly killed them, coma for three days. So even though the bike was bright, lights on, loud exhaust, etc. It made no difference accept poor judgement on his part in trusting some one elses eyes instead of his own. I say if you wish to use the "PU38 space modulator", go ahead. I choose to use me the opperator of my machine to be in charge of my own safety. I just choose not to add any thing to my bike that I feel will make no difference to my safety. One thing I do think is cool 'bout my beemer, is the loud ass horn on it. It is accually louder than my car horn. Yep it's true!! Cool Just do what you feel will help you're saftety but be aware that you are the only one who makes you safe, not a light, or a glow in the dark sign etc. I'd hate to hear some one say that they didn't see you when you spent all the time and money to ease your feelings about being safe, and it ultimately made no difference. I have seen it and heard it before.
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supercat1
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Location: Hoboken, NJ

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Back when I was a nOOb rider I used to ride with my high beam on. Until the the day where the Seattle police officer pulled up next to me and told me to knock it off. I figure if it was annoying the cops to the point where they'd go out of their way to tell me so then it was probably annoying others drivers too. Me, I choose to be polite to other road users. Motorcycling already has enough of a negative reputation and I see no reason to contribute to it by annoying other people.

There's plenty of ways to improve your visibility without being an inconsiderate dick. Here's a link to an example of one: (Caution: This one requires the rider to be paying attention and maintaining situational awareness.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqQBubilSXU

That's a great way to avoid being run down without selfishly annoying other road users.

When I see someone riding with their high beam on or a modulator then I see someone who is either a nOOb or someone who's very insecure about their riding skills. I've ridden quite a few miles without a modulator and nobody has hit me yet, but hey, I prefer to rely upon my own observation and riding skills, not being a dick.

And if you're riding around with your high beam on and you manage to fill oncoming drivers' eyes with a boatload of high beam then it makes it that much harder for them to actually see you and judge your speed and distance.


eh, riding with it on during the day time only makes your front light appear brighter, but doesn't actually impact the other drivers' vision. at night is a different story and i don't do that. only during the day do i drive with it on (well, at night when no one else is around i use the high beam).
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Moondog
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Joined: 09 Oct 2004
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Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Red wrote:
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When I see someone riding with their high beam on or a modulator then I see someone who is either a nOOb or someone who's very insecure about their riding skills. I've ridden quite a few miles without a modulator and nobody has hit me yet, but hey, I prefer to rely upon my own observation and riding skills, not being a dick.


Unbelievable. Rolling Eyes I'm sitting here recovering from butt surgery and come into the computer only to find out I have another pain in the ass to deal with. Razz
I think most sane people realize that all I'm doing is trying to stay alive using everything that's legal to help me do that. Maybe some people find the bright 100/90 watt headlights we run to offensive but you CAN see with them. Or the orange Catz light might be annoying to some. Or flashing LED brake lights. Loud horns Jeez.
Hope your riding skills save you from that left turner that lost your low beam in the sea of daytime running lights which is the reason modulators became legal in the first place. Daytime running lights. Used to be if you had your headlight on it differentiated you from everyone else but now there are so many cagers running lights you're just one of many.
Just a nOOb's point of view.


Nobody is saying you can't keep yourself safe. We applaud that. We are just sharing a different point of view. If we all thought alike what a boring world this would be.
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Mystic Red
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just mostly razzin' Duck cause I know he hates em. He's not changing my mind and I'm definitely not changing his. Very Happy
He's wrong again, of course. Cool He'll probably ban me for a week like he usually does. Very Happy
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jim'sbeemer2
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Location: Hurley, NY

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Red wrote:
I'm just mostly razzin' Duck cause I know he hates em. He's not changing my mind and I'm definitely not changing his. Very Happy
He's wrong again, of course. Cool He'll probably ban me for a week like he usually does. Very Happy

Just have a blast on the ride! how ever you ride, what ever you ride, just ride. It is the best way to get, in my mind, freedom from the insane world we live in. The only problem now is the wallet. Can I afford the luxury of having such an awesome bike?
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jim'sbeemer2
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep Beemered
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DLBass
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often ride in normal visibility conditions with no light on at all here in the UK. There has been much research done that supports the fact that car drivers find it more difficult to judge speed and distance of an object if it has a blazing white light burning out front.

I ride quickly, assertively, and with a defensive attitude ie: I assume that the car hasn't seen me and am always ready to save myself if he/she makes a bad move.

Bad vis. or filtering through heavy traffic and the headlight gets put on low beam.

I have a 7 figure milage over the last 35 years (many as a London courier) under my wheels, and the few car related incidents have been when I assumed someone had seen me. Sometimes I was running with a light on, sometimes not.

The biggest danger of running with very bright or modulated headlamps as far as I can see is that it dazzles other road users, affects their judgement of your approach, and gives you a false sense of security.

Just my 2p's worth

David
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ChuckS
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Joined: 11 May 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using one on my bike for years. It seems to work GREAT. I bought a new bike and took it for a ride before installing a modulator. I had a close call- the guy looked, didn't see me, and pulled out in front of me. I expected it, so no big deal.

Still, with my modulator on, I've never had anybody that looked pull out in front of me. Of course, lots of people don't look...
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malcolmt
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well folks,

I didnt intend to promote such a debate.My first shot at a DIY modulator is on the one K..it seem to have a good effect.
This weekend I'll tweak the circuit a little and see if it can be improved any.

thanks for the huge amount of feedback.
malcolm(t)
Joburg
South Africa
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Stoked Steve
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Location: Virginia Beach, VA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a debate indeed. I don't think anyone here is saying safety/visibility gear is in any way a substitute for rider awareness or ability. But rather just an extra layer of insurance against an ever increasingly distracted driving public.

I agree there is a fine line between being visible and being annoying.

I also agree that the K horns rock! I have used mine on several occasions to alert someone to my presence, whom I know had no idea I was there.

Be safe, be alert, be ahead of the other's next move....
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