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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Beachcomber"]
I have K1200S wheels back and front now - or at least will when I get the spindle ! Rear is the 5.5" version with the disc attached to the bevel housing.[/quote]

Hey Beachbomber,

First post here. I joined up to clarify a few details as I'm planning on doing the same thing. You stated you fitted K1200S wheels on the back, but from my research this bike is a 5 stud rear wheel whereas the k11 is a 4 stud setup? Is it actually a different model that you used?

Also, how is tyre clearance with the arm, do you get any rubbing?

I'd appreciate if you clarified exactly what parts from which model you used. Cheers !
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you've gotten your hands on a later generation K12 set of wheels. I know that the set I had converted for my '96K11RS was a first generation K12.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have K12LT wheels front and back. The first generation K12LT had the same disk brake diameter as the K11, otherwise you need to offset the callipers on the fork. The bearings were changed to the same diameter as the K11 so I have the same spindle, only one spacer is different (cannot remember).
The rear wheel is a 5" and was machined to keep front and back wheels aligned, I can fit a 170mm tire on it. I also have a spare 5.5" rim but didn't dare try it.
Going from 18" rear wheel to a 17" (either K11RS or K12) you'd better remove the center stand bushes that the RS does not have.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, really helps. Actually I don't have a bike yet. I've just come from a Kawa W800 which my friend wrote off (crashed). That same friend has an R65 and he's been posting up pictures of flying bricks on his Facebook. Which got me looking into these bikes...
I was planning on stripping one down and cafeing it up and I know there are a few purists on here who may want to hurt me for even suggesting it !

I've just started looking at the BMW K100 then K1100 series, and jeez there are sooooooooo many model variations and differences it really hurts my brain.

I don't have a later generation set of wheels, I was just going on the specs I could find on the internet. It appears the K1200S which was mentioned on here is a 5 stud wheel, didn't sound right. I think it was just a typo.

Is there an generation of K1200/or an identical design wheel, that doesn't require any machining to the rear for alignment?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone doing this conversion have the dimensioned drawings for the axle and spacer Beachcomber used above? If so, could a set be made available? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rbm wrote:
Does anyone doing this conversion have the dimensioned drawings for the axle and spacer Beachcomber used above? If so, could a set be made available? Thanks.

I would second that.
Anyone?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Picture of the machined axle for the K12 wheel conversion. Reply with quote

Not sure if this will help or not.....I had forgotten I took a picture of the axle. I just can't remember if this is the K11 or 12 axle and if it's already been machined (although I suspect it is, can't think of a reason why I'd take a picture of the non-machined axle)....sorry I don't have the measurements.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the non response guys - ill health, dog's ill health, death of family member ....... the past 18 months have been a wash out.

Back on it now though!

OK - I'll dig out the drawings / measurements. My conversion is finally completed - although I won't be swapping the new forks in until I have had a set of old K100 yokes [ triple trees ] reamered out to take the 41.7mm K1100 stanchions.

Reason ? I don't like the fuggly ignition switch tower and also the K100 bottom yoke has the mounts for the instrument housing to lower it down - losing yet more fuggliness.

Then it's fitting the RAM Goldline progressive fork springs and a final fettle of the GRP panels - paint and fit up.

Wheels now painted in a nice blingy Gold and looking good [ IMO ]
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Beachcomber,

Thanks a lot for the update. Looking forward to trying this conversion myself.

I started a converstation today on another board, asking about the front brake rotors. It's obvious that K1100 rotors can't attach to K1200 wheels, but the K1200 front brake rotor is 320mm diamater - 15mm larger than the K1100. So, how did you get the Brembo 4-pot brake calipers to fit on the stanchions with a larger rotor? Did you fashion an adapter plate to raise the calipers? Did you even use Brembo 4-pots?

I've seen pictures (from this site) of the conversion done by Allen Nelson but his doesn't have an adapter, which is perplexing for me.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Discs from my K1100 3 spoke wheel - 305mm / 12".

4 Pot Brembos are stock OEM on K1100. In fact, I took the complete front end off a spare K1100 I had and with the new spindle [ axle ] / spacers - the K1200 wheel dropped right in.

I don't see why there is a problem - my 305mm discs fit straight onto the K1200 wheel ???

here's a pic [ not very good ! ] of the K1100 [305mm ] disc attached to the K1200S front wheel. The 4 pot caliper was also hooked up during this early mock up with no problems.

I'm getting the forks back from my pal's workshop next week, so I'll get some decent pix plus all the dimensions.






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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beachcomber wrote:
I don't see why there is a problem - my 305mm discs fit straight onto the K1200 wheel ???
Bear in mind that I'm at the planning stage right now, not having the benefit of parts-in-hand. My K1100 front wheel has floating 305mm rotors attached to 6-hole bolt pattern carriers that fastens to the wheel. Pictures of K1200LT front wheels that I've examined have only 5 bosses for rotor mounting. Furthermore, the rotors are directly bolted to the wheel bosses, and are not floating.

I saw this as a problem, but you show me evidence to the contrary. What you've shown me obviously works and works well. I guess I'll just have to wait until I have parts in my hand.

UPDATE: I found Anton Largiader's page on BMW wheel swapping with loads of information on wheel combinations and brakes. I was correct in that my K11 rotors will not fit directly onto K12LT wheels. The K12LT rotors are for EVO brakes but too large at 320mm diameter. I'll have to search for 5-bolt 305mm diameter, 40mm wide rotors used on Oilhead wire-spoke wheels (R1200GS for example).
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see there are still others wanting to convert their wheels. I sometimes wonder who now owns my old K11rs and how the bike is holding up.....I don't think who ever it is has signed up on the K11OG, which is to bad.....would love to see pics of how she is now.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rbm wrote:
UPDATE: I found Anton Largiader's page on BMW wheel swapping with loads of information on wheel combinations and brakes. I was correct in that my K11 rotors will not fit directly onto K12LT wheels. The K12LT rotors are for EVO brakes but too large at 320mm diameter. I'll have to search for 5-bolt 305mm diameter, 40mm wide rotors used on Oilhead wire-spoke wheels (R1200GS for example).

First K1200LT had the same rotor diameter as the K1100LT. That's what I have, direct fit for the brakes.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 6 wrote:
I have K12LT wheels front and back. The first generation K12LT had the same disk brake diameter as the K11, otherwise you need to offset the callipers on the fork. The bearings were changed to the same diameter as the K11 so I have the same spindle, only one spacer is different (cannot remember).
The rear wheel is a 5" and was machined to keep front and back wheels aligned, I can fit a 170mm tire on it. I also have a spare 5.5" rim but didn't dare try it.
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Well ................. no they are NOT in line [ same axis ]. It is impossible for a 3.5" and a 5" wheel in the same frame [ ie the Kay family ] to be in line with the front - no matter HOW much is machined / spaced.

Check the OEM workshop manual - they even quote the offset.

"permissable track offset 12mm" [ page 46-16 of manual ]

It is NOT unusual for front and rear wheels to run offset - and in fact makes absolutely no difference in riding.

I was VERY concerned about this offset initially - and I even contemplated offsetting the drive train to align the wheel. Then I spoke to a guy that races Kays - and he has carried out exactly the mods I have made. He did very well in his first season of the B.E.A.R.S. series - and won the series in his second year. Note - the rule makers insisted he had to use 2 pot calipers on the front - as he was winning too often ?

I tried a 5.5" R wheel [ wheel mounted disc.], and that would also have worked . but then a friend offered me an obscene amount of money for the wheel - so I sold it ! Wink

My front wheel is an early K1200LT and as you say everything interchanges with a spindle and spacer swap.

I have used - early K1100LT forks, K100 yokes reamered to 41.7mm [ clr ], early K1200LT front wheel and the OEM K1100 Brembo 4 pot calipers.

The only "conversion " parts were the spindle [ axle ], spacer and an internal spacer [ fork bottom ] on the left side [ sitting on bike ].


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyres mounted - forks back next week and I'll have a measure up and relevant pix.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 6 wrote:
First K1200LT had the same rotor diameter as the K1100LT. That's what I have, direct fit for the brakes.
Thanks, Number 6.

The information you provided may be absolutely accurate, but when searching for parts, sellers don't usually differentiate with such granularity. To the typical Ebay seller flogging disks, an original K1200LT 305mm disk looks the same as an Oilhead or R1200GS 305mm disk. So, Anton's information is valuable for such searching. Breakers here in Canada don't salvage BMW motorcycle parts; almost all my searching and purchasing has to occur online.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your wheels look awesome, Beachcomber!
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rbm wrote:
Your wheels look awesome, Beachcomber!


Thanx RBM ............. what they do NOT show is the amount of grief I had to go through to get the finish I was looking for - ie a "blingy" Gold.

I tried 4 different shades of Gold before I got to this one. Then the Gold reacted in places with the primer - that meant a coat of barrier paint and re-finish in Gold.

THEN the tyre fitter managed to scrape several inches of the Gold finish from the rims !!!

That meant masking, careful flatting down and re-finishing. I'm pleased now though.

Main bike colour will be Satin or Matt Black [ undecided ] with stripes / accents in a colour yet to be decided. I've wavered between, Kwacker Lime Green, Tractor Orange, and a Satin Plum [!! ] colour.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about getting a chrome job? How expensive and durable should it be? I've been thinking of it for a while.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 6 wrote:
How about getting a chrome job? How expensive and durable should it be? I've been thinking of it for a while.


Are we still talking wheels here ???

If so, not a good idea. I know that in the US the chroming of aluminium is much better than the UK [ which is rubbish ! ].

However, any small ding, dig etc. which might cause a flake of the chrome renders the finish "imperfect". At least with a painted / PC finish you can remedy small blemishes - as I have had to do already courtesy of the tyre fitter !

Again - I know that in the US there are p/c companies that use a very realistic "chrome" finish.

Maybe a highly polished alloy finish? Again I know that you have a wealth of "Hot Rod" polishers in your part of the World ! And probably the weather to go with it !
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