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Shoganai · Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject:

I don't know if extra length would be of any use unless someone here has any experience with that.

I will make damn sure I don't make it any shorter. So with that in mind I may add no greater than 1/2" - 1" to any set of wires.

Since I'll be replacing the harness cover with a more flexible type, much of a routing issues will be self resolving.

Shoganai · Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject:

The following posts represent the deconstruction of the fuel injection wiring harness.

Some of the pics will have notes. All of the pics are intended to help me remember of what it looked like. After I make this post I'll take it off the board and set it aside for now. I'll leave all the zip ties holding the wires together to keep each cluster together for now.

Then I'll start on the main harness.

I did this to avoid cutting any wires while removing the covering.

Steve reminding me I cut this off while trying to scavenge parts for another project. I still have to connector.

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The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
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Shoganai · Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject:

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As far as I can tell, the joining of the green/white wires and the yellow/brown wires must have been done this way due to assemble needs, not function needs.

I have a couple of observations.

One: If stupid is as stupid dose then I'm fairly stupid.

Two: Anything that hurts that bad should look worse.

Three: 18 year old electrical tape feels like baby snot mixed with contact cement.

Four: #11 Exacto blades rammed under thumb nails when Stupid forgot about not cutting towards one's self SUX!

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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

Shoganai · Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject:

I'm really struggling to removed the bulb monitoring relay.

Is there a trick to pulling it apart at the pin out connection?
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

Shoganai · Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:16 pm Post subject:

Main wiring harness mounted on the board. Due to the large number of connections, I'm going to identify and tag each one before
cutting it open.

At least it can't hurt, might help and looks good on paper.

I keep thinking this is one of those times where you might hear, "Hold my beer and watch this".
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

whyoldbill · Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:49 pm Post subject:

Shoganai · Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject:

KMA Bill... Laughing

Stoked Steve · Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject:

Ouch!
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Shoganai · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:17 pm Post subject:

Posting on phone difficult.
Only gonna put up a couple of pictures.

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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:32 pm Post subject:

Looking good.......
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:59 am Post subject:

You are on it lady. Very Happy

Is there any part of a K bike that you have't had your fingers in?

Just remembered- back on page 1 you mentioned that you are going to pull the rods and pistons.

So by the end of this little "tune-up" you WILL have been into just about every last corner of a brick.
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Shoganai · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject:

Thank you both.

It's a wonderful journey.
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

Shoganai · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject:

I decided to go with 100% PTFE silver coated stranded wire for this project and based on all that I've read, I may never use anything else for any bike project.

That stuff is amazing.

That said, a stripper designed for PTFE is called for.

I like this one...
http://patcoinc.net/pts30.html

Does anyone have any other suggestions or experience with PTFE heat-type strippers?

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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

N41EF · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:06 pm Post subject:

And I thought building an airplane from scratch was a lot of work. New here, but I'm an electronics guy.

Nuclear Navy uses silver coated stranded wire with an E or EE classification. E wire is good to 600v and is perfects for what you are doing. E wire is PTFE insulation. The PTFE also gives much more resistance to abrasion. The silver coating makes the wires more conductive in an extreme environment, since the silver oxide is also conductive. It also makes the wire easier to solder. I would suggest anywhere you strip wire and crimp on a terminal that you also solder that connection. It helps eliminate vibration damage.

Strippers for PTFE wire don't have two sharp anvils that cut the insulation, they have a flat profile with a ring that cutes the insulation to remove the end. We used the type with replacable blades, though I've never seen a set wear out.

We also used thermal strippers and they work well, don't want to breath the fumes from melted PTFE...

We had a bench top soldering station that had thermal strippeds and a foot switch to turn them on. Most were made by Pace. I've bought alot of this type of stuff from Skycraft near Orlando Florida, they sell alot of military/NASA surplus stuff.

Put this on your wish list:
http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=45-177&div=6&l1=hand_tools&l1b=&l2=custom_stripmaster

Or:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teledyne-Kinetics-TWC-1-Stripall-Thermal-Wire-Stripper-WORKS-PERFECT-/291107941029?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c762aaa5

N41EF · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject:

And I thought building an airplane from scratch was a lot of work. New here, but I'm an electronics guy.

Nuclear Navy uses silver coated stranded wire with an E or EE classification. E wire is good to 600v and is perfects for what you are doing. E wire is PTFE insulation. The PTFE also gives much more resistance to abrasion. The silver coating makes the wires more conductive in an extreme environment, since the silver oxide is also conductive. It also makes the wire easier to solder. I would suggest anywhere you strip wire and crimp on a terminal that you also solder that connection. It helps eliminate vibration damage.

Strippers for PTFE wire don't have two sharp anvils that cut the insulation, they have a flat profile with a ring that cutes the insulation to remove the end. We used the type with replacable blades, though I've never seen a set wear out.

We also used thermal strippers and they work well, don't want to breath the fumes from melted PTFE...

We had a bench top soldering station that had thermal strippeds and a foot switch to turn them on. Most were made by Pace.

Put this on your wish list:
http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=45-177&div=6&l1=hand_tools&l1b=&l2=custom_stripmaster

Or:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teledyne-Kinetics-TWC-1-Stripall-Thermal-Wire-Stripper-WORKS-PERFECT-/291107941029?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c762aaa5

Shoganai · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject:

Thank you so much for your post.

OMG! You are in my home town!
I still have family near there in Montmorenci and visit there 2-3 times a year.

PM me your contact information and I'll buy you dinner.

Also, see if you can make it to The Hungary Mother gathering the first weekend in May. Info on that can be found in the Meetings Section here.
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

drikko · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:26 pm Post subject:

Have had plenty of experience with strippers, especially the hot ones....oh sorry wrong forum.... Embarassed

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Shoganai · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:10 am Post subject:

I love you drikko!

Here, I'll lend you a hand. Twisted Evil

N41EF · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject:

Not to second guess, you, since you obviously have an unhealthy obsession with taking you bike down to every single component part, but did you consider just inspecting each wire individually and only replace those with damage or chaffing, then re-wrap the harness? Friction tape, shrink wrap, and tie wraps will make a much nicer harness. For a naked idea lacing tape or cord?

I'd check any of the solder conections to switches and such, and there is a spray that will clean oxidation on multipin connectors. It's also good for spraying into switches to clean switch contacts. I have a can in the garage at the other house, I think Worth made it. Clean the contacts and use dielectric grease when you reconnect the connectors.

While you COULD make a mil-spec harness, it's overkil.

Says the person who spent spent 4 months rewiring a sailboat to make the lights work.... But man, it is awesome with two batteries, on-board chargers and solar backup.

I've lived in/near Aiken 13 years, just moved into downtown Aiken a year ago. Not going to make the ride there, will be at a charity event.

Flying Duck · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject:

Gwen just wants enough wiring to balance out with the two hundred pound tool kit that she carries.
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