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granth
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 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: iNTERMITENT CUTTING OUT. |
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I was out for a ride yesterday and after about sixty miles,everything suddenly died while I was stationary at a junction.Engine would turn over but not run.
Pushed it to the roadside and checked,when the ignition key was turned on everything lit up on the instrument cluster but no fuel pump noise,then I remembered having had this happen in the workshop recently when I had had the tank off.....(when the engine was stone cold;so not heat related. )I have done about 500 miles since I had the tank off,without incident.
So, i wiggled the wires of the four way connector under the tank and bingo! everything came back to life.Cut out twice more on the way home and the same "remedy" was effective.
I thought that I had cleaned this connector pretty well when I was in the workshop last time,but today I got out the contact cleaner and some small riffler files and set to ,giving it the best overhaul I could and it seems to be working OK ?
I have thought of replacing the whole connector with a new type, anyone done this kind of modification ? 
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Jeeves
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Joined: 25 Apr 2011
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Location: Vancouver Island,B.C. Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: iNTERMITENT CUTTING OUT. |
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| granth wrote: | I was out for a ride yesterday and after about sixty miles,everything suddenly died while I was stationary at a junction.Engine would turn over but not run.
Pushed it to the roadside and checked,when the ignition key was turned on everything lit up on the instrument cluster but no fuel pump noise,then I remembered having had this happen in the workshop recently when I had had the tank off.....(when the engine was stone cold;so not heat related. )I have done about 500 miles since I had the tank off,without incident.
So, i wiggled the wires of the four way connector under the tank and bingo! everything came back to life.Cut out twice more on the way home and the same "remedy" was effective.
I thought that I had cleaned this connector pretty well when I was in the workshop last time,but today I got out the contact cleaner and some small riffler files and set to ,giving it the best overhaul I could and it seems to be working OK ?
I have thought of replacing the whole connector with a new type, anyone done this kind of modification ? |
i just pulled mine apart and put it together a couple of times and it hasn't happened since but if yours keeps doing it maybe put 4 little connectors under there instead of a 4 pin connector and that way you could buy some trick stereo connectors and never have to think of it again and don't forget the dielectric grease,,,end of problem DJ
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granth
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Joined: 04 Aug 2010
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Location: Birmingham,England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Jeeves;I did use Dialectric grease this time.
If it does fail again I will certainly replace the plug with something else. 
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SugarHillCTD
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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One of these would be a good substitute- can't be connected wrong
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DaveVoorhis
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Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: Derbyshire, UK
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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After I had problems starting due to the fuel pump not running, I cleaned, polished, and greased the tank connector. It worked for a year, then I had to do it again. That worked for another year. In the five years I've owned the bike, I've had to clean the connector every year. Recently, the problem re-appeared, so I cut out the connector and replaced it with this:
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Jeeves
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Joined: 25 Apr 2011
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Location: Vancouver Island,B.C. Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| DaveVoorhis wrote: | After I had problems starting due to the fuel pump not running, I cleaned, polished, and greased the tank connector. It worked for a year, then I had to do it again. That worked for another year. In the five years I've owned the bike, I've had to clean the connector every year. Recently, the problem re-appeared, so I cut out the connector and replaced it with this:
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that looks great and i'm surprised it happens so often,,,maybe cover this connector with "liquid electrical tape" and keep the air off of it  the stuff comes right off if you want it to,,,used this stuff in the marine trade on electrical connections,,,it works real good,,,i wonder if you live near the salt water for this to happen so much ??
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K 75 C 1986 black,naked and collector plate
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DaveVoorhis
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Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: Derbyshire, UK
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Jeeves wrote: | | that looks great and i'm surprised it happens so often,,,maybe cover this connector with "liquid electrical tape" and keep the air off of it the stuff comes right off if you want it to,,,used this stuff in the marine trade on electrical connections,,,it works real good,,,i wonder if you live near the salt water for this to happen so much ?? |
Liquid tape sounds like a good idea, though I suspect the problem happened so frequently because the connector is rather undersized for the job, so the initial corrosion caused the terminals to heat up and probably distorted and damaged them just enough to make them marginal conductors at best.
I don't live anywhere near salt water - in fact I'm about as far inland as you can get in the UK. However, I do use the bike year round in all weather, and the roads are frequently salted.
What part of Vancouver Island are you on (if you don't mind me asking)? I lived in Courtenay for six months in 2001/2002.
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Jeeves
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Location: Vancouver Island,B.C. Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| DaveVoorhis wrote: | | Jeeves wrote: | | that looks great and i'm surprised it happens so often,,,maybe cover this connector with "liquid electrical tape" and keep the air off of it the stuff comes right off if you want it to,,,used this stuff in the marine trade on electrical connections,,,it works real good,,,i wonder if you live near the salt water for this to happen so much ?? |
Liquid tape sounds like a good idea, though I suspect the problem happened so frequently because the connector is rather undersized for the job, so the initial corrosion caused the terminals to heat up and probably distorted and damaged them just enough to make them marginal conductors at best.
I don't live anywhere near salt water - in fact I'm about as far inland as you can get in the UK. However, I do use the bike year round in all weather, and the roads are frequently salted.
What part of Vancouver Island are you on (if you don't mind me asking)? I lived in Courtenay for six months in 2001/2002. |
i was born and raised in Victoria however due to heavy traffic and the fact my 2 older girls live in Crofton/lk. cowichan i now live between duncan and maple bay,,,my family first came to vancouver island in 1841 from bedfordshire,,i gotz some roots here,,,my grandfather's grandfather and his brother george jeeves laid the last block to the parliment buildings in vic in 1896!!!
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K 75 C 1986 black,naked and collector plate
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Jeeves
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Joined: 25 Apr 2011
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Location: Vancouver Island,B.C. Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| DaveVoorhis wrote: | | Jeeves wrote: | | that looks great and i'm surprised it happens so often,,,maybe cover this connector with "liquid electrical tape" and keep the air off of it the stuff comes right off if you want it to,,,used this stuff in the marine trade on electrical connections,,,it works real good,,,i wonder if you live near the salt water for this to happen so much ?? |
Liquid tape sounds like a good idea, though I suspect the problem happened so frequently because the connector is rather undersized for the job, so the initial corrosion caused the terminals to heat up and probably distorted and damaged them just enough to make them marginal conductors at best.
I don't live anywhere near salt water - in fact I'm about as far inland as you can get in the UK. However, I do use the bike year round in all weather, and the roads are frequently salted.
What part of Vancouver Island are you on (if you don't mind me asking)? I lived in Courtenay for six months in 2001/2002. |
as for the 4 pin conn. my k75 has 75,000 miles on it and the conn. looks like new !!
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K 75 C 1986 black,naked and collector plate
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Jeeves
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeeves wrote: | | DaveVoorhis wrote: | | Jeeves wrote: | | that looks great and i'm surprised it happens so often,,,maybe cover this connector with "liquid electrical tape" and keep the air off of it the stuff comes right off if you want it to,,,used this stuff in the marine trade on electrical connections,,,it works real good,,,i wonder if you live near the salt water for this to happen so much ?? |
Liquid tape sounds like a good idea, though I suspect the problem happened so frequently because the connector is rather undersized for the job, so the initial corrosion caused the terminals to heat up and probably distorted and damaged them just enough to make them marginal conductors at best.
I don't live anywhere near salt water - in fact I'm about as far inland as you can get in the UK. However, I do use the bike year round in all weather, and the roads are frequently salted.
What part of Vancouver Island are you on (if you don't mind me asking)? I lived in Courtenay for six months in 2001/2002. |
as for the 4 pin conn. my k75 has 75,000 miles on it and the conn. looks like new !! |
ps i had a brainwave recently and i just might buy a bike in the uk and ride it to germany after seeing my mom's homeland ,scotland,,i just discovered a cousin i didn't knoe existed and may start there,,,i'll get him (and you) to keep eyes open for a good deal on a beemer over there,,,of course that would mean i would have to commit to going correct,,,maybe you could fill me in on what's required of me for licence, and other things to get me rolling Jeeves
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Moondog
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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"So, i wiggled the wires of the four way connector under the tank"
So what was this connector for? |
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DaveVoorhis
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Moondog wrote: | "So, i wiggled the wires of the four way connector under the tank"
So what was this connector for? |
Level sensor, and power to the fuel pump.
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DaveVoorhis
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jeeves wrote: | | ps i had a brainwave recently and i just might buy a bike in the uk and ride it to germany after seeing my mom's homeland ,scotland,,i just discovered a cousin i didn't knoe existed and may start there,,,i'll get him (and you) to keep eyes open for a good deal on a beemer over there,,,of course that would mean i would have to commit to going correct,,,maybe you could fill me in on what's required of me for licence, and other things to get me rolling Jeeves |
You can drive here on your B.C. license for up to six months, as I recall. You may wish to obtain a so-called "International License" to go along with it - it's a document that explains the content of your license in an internationally-recognisable format. You can get one from the BCAA. Outside of that, just come over (you'll need a current passport, but when you enter the country you'll get far less hassle than crossing the border into the States), buy a bike, make sure the yearly tax is paid on it and it has a current MoT (gov't test) certificate and you're good to go. I'm sure the other UK folks will weigh in here if I've forgotten anything.
If you see any bikes you like whilst you're still there, let me know and (within reason and time permitting) I'll ride out and take a look.
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Jeeves
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| DaveVoorhis wrote: | | Jeeves wrote: | | ps i had a brainwave recently and i just might buy a bike in the uk and ride it to germany after seeing my mom's homeland ,scotland,,i just discovered a cousin i didn't knoe existed and may start there,,,i'll get him (and you) to keep eyes open for a good deal on a beemer over there,,,of course that would mean i would have to commit to going correct,,,maybe you could fill me in on what's required of me for licence, and other things to get me rolling Jeeves |
You can drive here on your B.C. license for up to six months, as I recall. You may wish to obtain a so-called "International License" to go along with it - it's a document that explains the content of your license in an internationally-recognisable format. You can get one from the BCAA. Outside of that, just come over (you'll need a current passport, but when you enter the country you'll get far less hassle than crossing the border into the States), buy a bike, make sure the yearly tax is paid on it and it has a current MoT (gov't test) certificate and you're good to go. I'm sure the other UK folks will weigh in here if I've forgotten anything.
If you see any bikes you like whilst you're still there, let me know and (within reason and time permitting) I'll ride out and take a look. |
thanks Dave,,this info is a good start and i just got my passport a couple of months ago(first time,giggle)so i think i'll inquire about the inter. licence from BCAA ,,this yearly tax you mentioned,,what's that add up to? and how often do you need the gov't test done?or if it's on there and current i guess that would be good?i was looking on used UK @ bikes and wondered about getting something like a k75 or k100(prefer 100) for around 1,000 euro's,,does that sound reasonable????ps crossing into the states is similar i think to the security on and near the Gaza strip  keep me posted Dave thanks again
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SugarHillCTD
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Jeeves wrote: | | ?ps crossing into the states is similar i think to the security on and near the Gaza strip |
Crossing into Canada is much easier- you folks are really nice.
Crossing into the USA (even for US citizens) is a P.I.T.A. Paranoia?
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DaveVoorhis
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Jeeves wrote: | | ... this yearly tax you mentioned,,what's that add up to? and how often do you need the gov't test done?or if it's on there and current i guess that would be good?i was looking on used UK @ bikes and wondered about getting something like a k75 or k100(prefer 100) for around 1,000 euro's,,does that sound reasonable???? ... |
The yearly tax is currently £74 for a motorcycle over 600cc. You can also tax it for 6 months for £40.70. See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524 for details. Since the tax (and MoT cert) is associated with the vehicle and not the owner, it's not unusual to buy a vehicle that still has plenty of tax on it. In fact, a long time before the tax runs out is often used as a selling point. So is having a good length of time before the MoT certificate runs out.
The MoT cert has to be renewed every year.
1000 euro for a K100 is reasonable. Good ones are getting hard to find, though, as are the K1100s. K1200s are common, but you'll pay a lot more of course.
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Jeeves
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| DaveVoorhis wrote: | | Jeeves wrote: | | ... this yearly tax you mentioned,,what's that add up to? and how often do you need the gov't test done?or if it's on there and current i guess that would be good?i was looking on used UK @ bikes and wondered about getting something like a k75 or k100(prefer 100) for around 1,000 euro's,,does that sound reasonable???? ... |
The yearly tax is currently £74 for a motorcycle over 600cc. You can also tax it for 6 months for £40.70. See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524 for details. Since the tax (and MoT cert) is associated with the vehicle and not the owner, it's not unusual to buy a vehicle that still has plenty of tax on it. In fact, a long time before the tax runs out is often used as a selling point. So is having a good length of time before the MoT certificate runs out.
The MoT cert has to be renewed every year.
1000 euro for a K100 is reasonable. Good ones are getting hard to find, though, as are the K1100s. K1200s are common, but you'll pay a lot more of course. |
Dave i'm getting excited just collecting info,,i'm going to start talking to friends and/or travel people about flights as i understand the further ahead you book the better it is YIKES,,Jeeves
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Tim (Midland Section)
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As I understand it, the most troublesome thing is insurance.
In order to stand a chance you will need a British postal address for documents to be posted. You will need to know the Reg number of the bike in advance too.
HTH
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Jeeves
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim (Midland Section) wrote: | As I understand it, the most troublesome thing is insurance.
In order to stand a chance you will need a British postal address for documents to be posted. You will need to know the Reg number of the bike in advance too.
HTH |
every little bit of info helps,,  thanks Tim
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